2014 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

west pilots mantra.
 
we saved you.
we bought you.
we acquired you.
doug should have let you go out of business, we are tired of being in PHX only flying 28 percent of your routes.
we only want what we brought to the merger, except when it comes to wide bodies and routes, we want those too because we saved you.
we want you to abide by your agreements, we do not want to abide by our transition agreements.
Integrity matters for us when it applies to the East pilots, us west pilots can disregard the transition agreement, legal rulings, legal actions, ............./////'''''

 

[Claxon]

west pilots, thinking of being on the new west merger committee?  Watch out for west leader johnny (the bull) mac!
 
"On or about April 22, 2008, defendant McIlvenna, using electronic communication, threatened the safety of a US Airways (West)pilot by stating that “I hope the pilot group does not know about your plan to pay USAPA dues and join as a member, else I fear for your safety.” Defendant McIlvenna is a member of the Board of Directors of AWAPPA.
 
The defendants and their co-conspirators have harassed and intimidated a pilot who was interested in becoming a USAPA representative by posting his telephone number on the AWAPPA website and suggesting that a “couple HUNDRED strongly worded [telephone] messages” may deter his participation with his union. The pilot has determined not to become a USAPA representative, thereby depriving Phoenix-based US Airways pilots of representation within USAPA’s political structure.
 
The pilot referenced in paragraph 76 was forced to seek the assistance of US Airways in dealing with multiple threats he received by both telephone and e-mail in response to his interest in becoming a USAPA representative. One such electronic communication sent on or about May 12, 2008, inquired as to when a “blanket party” would be held for this pilot. Upon information and belief, a “blanket party” refers to a method of assault in which attackers restrain and blind their victim by throwing a blanket over the victim’s head, and then strike the victim repeatedly. The same pilot has been subjected to the threat of a concerted effort by multiple pilots to put him on a “no fly” list in order to severely limit or eliminate his work opportunities"

 

[traderjake]

Not yet. But soon. I carried this group to the promised land of No Nic.

 
Mike Cleary was so successful that he didn't run for re election because he knew he would lose.

 

[Phoenix]

http://www.thepushforjustice.com/contributors.html
 
Is there a deadline on when to donate in order to be listed on the "contributors list"? 

 

[snapthis]

Claxon is using Mike Cleary's playbook which USAPAWATCH wrote about back in 2011. The dysfunction and resignations continue to this day. I'm ready for the APA.


Enemies

Posted by TheEye at 12/20/2011 12:46 AM
Categories: uncategorized

“Unfortunately, there is no middle ground being offered by our opposition on any front, so there is simply no question of which side of the battles to be on. We will neither cease nor buckle and our adversaries should clearly understand that our commitment to our collective futures will endure regardless of what is thrown at us.”
USAPA President Mike Cleary 12/19/2011

TheEye is once again shaking our head in bewilderment wondering exactly who ‘our’ adversaries might me in Mr. Cleary’s delusional world? Could he be referring to the west pilot class, US Airways management, another union?

The rapidly dwindling mass of the Cleary regime has declared war on all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Resignation letters continue to collect on the Woodlawn doorstep as our ever despondent and irrational officer corps wrestles amongst themselves for control of the agenda. The march towards total and unconditional victory has been declared despite the ever dwindling fuel and ammunition supply. Total chaos and complete implosion are likely at any moment.

Meanwhile, those of us living in the real world are struggling to provide Christmas cheer for our friends and families. We naively believed that our new union would take advantage of the recovering industry and provide much needed relief to our financial houses. Instead, we have our independent USAPA - A dysfunctional embarrassment incapable of proving us with the most basic of services. The promise of a date-of-hire contract that protects our attrition has been replaced by an eternal sentence of LOA 93.

No amount of bravado printed on a USAPA letterhead can change the fact that our union has failed to bring one benefit to our pilot group. We’ve squandered millions of dollars on legal fees trying to sue our way to success. The very law firm with whom we placed our endearing trust has been ousted, replaced by an outfit with double the rates and none of the charisma Lee brought to the courthouse.

Our lives at work have degenerated into hours of fantastical conversations focused on a phantom merger and the liquidation of the west operation. Even our President alluded to our new fantasy by suggesting the west would be exposed in this hypothetical merger but the east would be protected. Our new hires have also been foolishly convinced that they would be better off supporting the war effort with grandiose promises of rapid advancement and west marginalization.

TheEye is here to ring the sobering bell of reality. The reality already told to our waring leadership by our new legal team. The reality that the seniority fight is coming to a rapid close and we would be far better off embracing our west colleagues than promoting their extinction. With the departure of the only lawyer confident of our plan, we need to reevaluate our position going forward. The 1700 west pilots will have virtually no effect on our careers if we unify with them now before the next transaction.

On the other hand, should the 1700 west pilots unite with a much larger majority, our situation could become even more dire. Contrary to popular lore, our COC language is not air tight and will not overcome Judge Silver’s sphere of influence or the negotiating leverage of a larger pilot group.

We can guarantee one thing -

If we maintain our current course, we will be hoisted with our own petard.
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It looks like the Eye made the right call in 2011.
 
Karma

 

[Phoenix]

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
))
Don Addington, et al, )
)
Plaintiffs, ) JUDGMENT IN A CIVIL CASE
)
v. ) CV 13-0471-PHX-ROS
)
US Airline Pilots Association, et al, )
)
Defendants, )
 
XX Decision by Court. This action came for consideration before the Court. The
issues have been considered and a decision has been rendered.
 
IT IS ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that pursuant to the Court's Order of
January 10, 2014, judgment is hereby entered as follows: judgment in favor of
Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I and Count IV, judgment in favor
of US Airways, Inc. on Count II, and a judgment of dismissal without prejudice on
Count III. This action are hereby terminated.
 
January 10, 2014
 
BRIAN D. KARTH
Clerk of Court

 

[EastUS1]

......we would be far better off embracing our west colleagues than promoting their extinction.

 
Why? I didn't realize their "extinction" was at all imminent. Someone best call PETA immediately! But first...Hmm...What's the current bag limit and seasonal restrictions? 😉 Just kidding "spartans". 🙂

 

[Res Judicata]

No.  The real translation of Hummel's letter is....
 
You west a**holes have one last opportunity to participate before we move on without you.

Silver gave you scab pricks a Colombian neck tie. You're already completely ignored. Your Billion dollar experiment that flushed a third of your career down the toilet was an epic failure. Whose "We"? What's "USAPA"? Is PHL threatening to leave behind DCA? Is DCA threatening to move on without CLT?

Absurd. The very-soon-to-be former bargaining agent USCABA has ALREADY been relegated to a position of supreme worthlessness. The money they have extorted will be forcibly returned to its owner and the two dozen or so "founding scab Asssholes" that dreamt up this abortion will likely be personally sued in virtually every state of the union for years. Personal Bankruptcy until death. Will any of the plaintiffs have a case? Let's ask 50 judges of 50 states that question for the next 20 years to find out.

 

[traderjake]

You west a**holes have one last opportunity to participate before we move on without you.

 
....before we move on to decertification and APA takes over.

 

[snapthis]

Silver gave you scab pricks a Colombian neck tie. You're already completely ignored. Your Billion dollar experiment that flushed a third of your career down the toilet was an epic failure. Whose "We"? What's "USAPA"? Is PHL threatening to leave behind DCA? Is DCA threatening to move on without CLT?
Absurd. The very-soon-to-be former bargaining agent USCABA has ALREADY been relegated to a position of supreme worthlessness. The money they have extorted will be forcibly returned to its owner and the two dozen or so "founding scab Asssholes" that dreamt up this abortion will likely be personally sued in virtually every state of the union for years. Personal Bankruptcy until death. Will any of the plaintiffs have a case? Let's ask 50 judges of 50 states that question for the next 20 years to find out.

I've heard about the planned lawsuits as well. I think that's why EOA has been in such a bad mood. Could this be RICO retribution?

Hmmmm.....

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Usapa can't move on with or without the west. The company and its counsel, and the APA and its counsel have got our number. The APA and the company will figure out for themselves where the potential land mines lay, and act accordingly.

And there won't be any RICO retribution. Nobody will fund it on their own. Unless someone has 500 grand a month coming in and their own lawyer with no oversight to do the dirty work.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Accept the arbitrated award and I might accept your apology for supporting and association bent on taking the jobs from me and my co-workers.

 
Fuggedaboudit!

 

[nycbusdriver]

west pilots threats over the years.
 
alpa is going to get you.
alpa will get you.
Judge Wake is going to get you.
Judge Wake will get you.
The 9th is going to get you.
The 9th will get you.
The company will get you.
The company is going to get you.
Judge Silver is going to get you.
Judge Silver, after closing the case, will get you.
APA is going to get you.
 
After losing every possible legal challenge, west pilots will get you.
 
"Now here are the west pilots demands,,,...##@@!!." (sarcasm)

 
Amen, Brother!   They are out of ammunition and haven't a clue.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
....before we move on to decertification and APA takes over.

 
You westholes (and you are an honorary one, especially the "hole" part) keep bringing this up like it makes any difference to the east pilots.
 
My answer: SO WHAT?

 

[Claxon]

I've heard about the planned lawsuits as well. I think that's why EOA has been in such a bad mood. Could this be RICO retribution?
Hmmmm.....

Let Res Judicata bring it. He feeds Chip all the bad legal strategy. He has led your group into a box. Two costly and failed lawsuits from half a$$ed pilot lawyers. The FBI did not believe him, why do you?
Maybe 320Jetzz will kick in some cash now that he came back to the fold.