2014 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

Damages, do not forget the damages..

Don't forget
 
 Bump and flush...

 

[Pi brat]

 

 
I remember in 2008, ALPA was the dues collection agency. I also remember the biggest USAPA supporters writing......
 
" ALPA has seen the last of my dues money."
Author: AAA73Pilot

This was prior to USAPA being elected. Philadelphia reps being thrown out of ALPA for supporting USAPA, dues payments being withheld, etc.

So.....the very people who go after pilots with section 29's are most likely the ones who stopped paying ALPA while they were still the bargaining agent.

Hypocrites

Maybe. There is not shortage of hypocrites on either side. As a matter of fact I know two of our former east ALPA reps that have dodged paying USAPA ever since it's formation. One of them is the guy that told me that the west contract makes it much easier to fire a west pilot.

 

[Pi brat]

Don't forget
 
 Bump and flush...

I'll put $100 on that not happening. You? That's chump change for you, right rich man?

 

[snapthis]

I remember

767 jetz
I guess justifications are only valid and "factual" when they support YOUR view, but not when others try to support their view. This has been th East's problem since day one. There is no rationalizing with the irrational.

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AAA73Pilot
Then why do you want us to remain with ALPA? To save us from ourselves? To protect your position? If we are such a problem why do you want us? What does it matter to you anyway what we do? So ALPA can trumpet how strong we are? Hypocrites one and all. You don't want us, you want our dues dollars. Nothing more.


So....this new union, USAPA is only interested in dues dollars from West pilots to further the objectives of the Eat pilots. Nothing more.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Don't forget
 
 Bump and flush...

No bump no flush.

Maybe, years from now, there will be a vacancy for you if a new hire choses to pass on it.

 

[snapthis]

I'll put $100 on that not happening. You? That's chump change for you, right rich man?

 
No car payment, no mortgage. I'm flexible.
 
We had an agreement. Your side said to Nic. DOH or nothing. Nic says fine, if you don't have a compromise then I will make one for you.
 
Your side says come to Wye River do-over camp. That being we are the majority and we will either get or way here or through USAPA.
 
Bottom line, your side always planned on playing the card you had up your sleve if you did not get your way.....DOH
 
Guess what, years later there is no DOH, you'll find that the Nic is still a player and the benefits reaped by evasion of prioir agreements will have to remedied.
 
We've added a power player to our team. Pretty good for a group which is said to be in debt by it's opponents.

 

[snapthis]

No bump no flush.

Maybe, years from now, there will be a vacancy for you if a new hire choses to pass on it.

 
No East, No West, No US Airways, No USAPA.
 
Good luck with the delay and separate ops game going forward.

 

[Hawkhunter]

Snap, do you ever get tired of being a big mouth a$$hole? Nothing you have said comes true. Please get over yourself you freakn scab. LMFAO

 

[Pi brat]

 
No car payment, no mortgage. I'm flexible.
 
We had an agreement. Your side said to Nic. DOH or nothing. Nic says fine, if you don't have a compromise then I will make one for you.
 
Your side says come to Wye River do-over camp. That being we are the majority and we will either get or way here or through USAPA.
 
Bottom line, your side always planned on playing the card you had up your sleve if you did not get your way.....DOH
 
Guess what, years later there is no DOH, you'll find that the Nic is still a player and the benefits reaped by evasion of prioir agreements will have to remedied.
 
We've added a power player to our team. Pretty good for a group which is said to be in debt by it's opponents.

So we have a bet? No bump-flush?
 
That's not at all what was said.
 
-The east merger committee tried to negotiate with the west. They couldn't come to an agreement-few thought we would be able to with our LOS/seniority difference.
-We went to arbitration where we proposed a LOS integration, with some protections for the west. Your side proposed an absurd ratio that would put over 900 pilots that were active on May 19.2005 below save-a-Dave.
-The east didn't modify their proposal at all, the west very little.
-Nic made his award
-The east didn't like it and said they would do whatever they could to prevent it's implementation and noted to EVERYONE that the TA had no required timeline for completion and without it's completion the Nicolau award could not be used.
-I don't know exactly what happened at WYE river, but have been told by a guy that was there that they tried to come up with a solution for everyone-it failed. ALPA tried to tell you of the dangers going forward to your group. You didn't listen, but whined when they came true.
-ALPA and it's east component wanted nothing to do with USAPA.
-Years later there is no DOH nor Nic. But, over the years the east pilots have continued to move forward, while the west has stagnated. Our new hires are in much better places than many of your 10 year F/Os. You have had fewer captain upgrades since 2007 than we have had in just a couple months bids. The Nic fight was over our attrition, and no matter what happens going forward, we captured a larger part of it.
-I cannot ever remember a bump-flush SLI
-The MOU abandoned a DOH east/west SLI AND the Nicolau award. You won a small victory there, but as usual, it's not enough.
-Our power player helped write MB. You are going to have to argue to the arbitration panel that they agreement you ratified was wrong and that the federal judge that you went to was wrong. Good luck with that. I'm not sure why USAPA would worry about it.
 
So, your history paper receives a D-, but you have been corrected. You are dismissed, go play in the sand and cacti.

 

[snapthis]

So we have a bet? No bump-flush?
 
That's not at all what was said.
 
-The east merger committee tried to negotiate with the west. They couldn't come to an agreement-few thought we would be able to with our LOS/seniority difference.
-We went to arbitration where we proposed a LOS integration, with some protections for the west. Your side proposed an absurd ratio that would put over 900 pilots that were active on May 19.2005 below save-a-Dave.
-The east didn't modify their proposal at all, the west very little.
-Nic made his award
-The east didn't like it and said they would do whatever they could to prevent it's implementation and noted to EVERYONE that the TA had no required timeline for completion and without it's completion the Nicolau award could not be used.
-I don't know exactly what happened at WYE river, but have been told by a guy that was there that they tried to come up with a solution for everyone-it failed. ALPA tried to tell you of the dangers going forward to your group. You didn't listen, but whined when they came true.
-ALPA and it's east component wanted nothing to do with USAPA.
-Years later there is no DOH nor Nic. But, over the years the east pilots have continued to move forward, while the west has stagnated. Our new hires are in much better places than many of your 10 year F/Os. You have had fewer captain upgrades since 2007 than we have had in just a couple months bids. The Nic fight was over our attrition, and no matter what happens going forward, we captured a larger part of it.
-I cannot ever remember a bump-flush SLI
-The MOU abandoned a DOH east/west SLI AND the Nicolau award. You won a small victory there, but as usual, it's not enough.
-Our power player helped write MB. You are going to have to argue to the arbitration panel that they agreement you ratified was wrong and that the federal judge that you went to was wrong. Good luck with that. I'm not sure why USAPA would worry about it.
 
So, your history paper receives a D-, but you have been corrected. You are dismissed, go play in the sand and cacti.

 
Well..it looks like someone beat me to it.
 
-1.

 

[Res Judicata]

Picking again. There are plenty on both sides of this:
 
"Righteous battle? That's pathetic.
The NIC is the biggest attack on a seniority based system that has ever happened. If any group is fighting a righteous battle, it's the US Air pilot group.
Every pilot group should be pulling for the US Air pilot group to prevail to insure it will never be a labor case standard."

Every pilot groups seems to be pulling for your fake unions death. Hate to break it to you but scumbag liars and cheats don't get much sympathy scab. The nic still gave you 2 out of every 3 upgrades...that wasn't enough. Was it worth a billion dollars and a lost 1/3 rd of a career to get a few hundred upgrades a few years sooner only to have the nic adjusted for no wide body protections amongst the us air pilots and folded into the APA.?

USCABA WAS nothing but organized crime...the most incompetent band of fools that ever existed. Being you only stole from yourselves and the minority group you extorted money from as well as provided the perfect cheaper labor whip saw model delivered perfectly to Doug Parker, nobody seemed to give a schit and tolerated your existence. As soon as the powers that be needed you gone, you're gone. I hear your leaders are still obliviously re-arranging the deck Chairs on the titanic...perhaps it's just deer in the headlights shock and panic. Either way, your fake scab union is DEAD.

The only righteous day in your scab unions life is the quickly approaching day the NMB wipes you pos off the map and it's assets are frozen.

 

[nevergiveup]

 
No car payment, no mortgage. I'm flexible.
 
We had an agreement. Your side said to Nic. DOH or nothing. Nic says fine, if you don't have a compromise then I will make one for you.
 
Your side says come to Wye River do-over camp. That being we are the majority and we will either get or way here or through USAPA.
 
Bottom line, your side always planned on playing the card you had up your sleve if you did not get your way.....DOH
 
Guess what, years later there is no DOH, you'll find that the Nic is still a player and the benefits reaped by evasion of prioir agreements will have to remedied.
 
We've added a power player to our team. Pretty good for a group which is said to be in debt by it's opponents.

snap is still living in the past.  

 

[snapthis]

Snap, do you ever get tired of being a big mouth ####? Nothing you have said comes true. Please get over yourself you freakn scab. LMFAO

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Typical Usapian. Laws and arbitration don't apply to me...

Until caught....

Happy hunting.

 

[Phoenix]

Every pilot groups seems to be pulling for your fake unions death. Hate to break it to you but scumbag liars and cheats don't get much sympathy scab. The nic still gave you 2 out of every 3 upgrades...that wasn't enough. Was it worth a billion dollars and a lost 1/3 rd of a career to get a few hundred upgrades a few years sooner only to have the nic adjusted for no wide body protections amongst the us air pilots and folded into the APA.?
USCABA WAS nothing but organized crime...the most incompetent band of fools that ever existed. Being you only stole from yourselves and the minority group you extorted money from as well as provided the perfect cheaper labor whip saw model delivered perfectly to Doug Parker, nobody seemed to give a schit and tolerated your existence. As soon as the powers that be needed you gone, you're gone. I hear your leaders are still obliviously re-arranging the deck Chairs on the titanic...perhaps it's just deer in the headlights shock and panic. Either way, your fake scab union is DEAD.
The only righteous day in your scab unions life is the quickly approaching day the NMB wipes you pos off the map and it's assets are frozen.

Still a riot!!

When you talk, for your own safety, place all sharp objects out of your arms reach.

 

[Pi brat]

Every pilot groups seems to be pulling for your fake unions death. Hate to break it to you but scumbag liars and cheats don't get much sympathy scab. The nic still gave you 2 out of every 3 upgrades...that wasn't enough. Was it worth a billion dollars and a lost 1/3 rd of a career to get a few hundred upgrades a few years sooner only to have the nic adjusted for no wide body protections amongst the us air pilots and folded into the APA.?

USCABA WAS nothing but organized crime...the most incompetent band of fools that ever existed. Being you only stole from yourselves and the minority group you extorted money from as well as provided the perfect cheaper labor whip saw model delivered perfectly to Doug Parker, nobody seemed to give a schit and tolerated your existence. As soon as the powers that be needed you gone, you're gone. I hear your leaders are still obliviously re-arranging the deck Chairs on the titanic...perhaps it's just deer in the headlights shock and panic. Either way, your fake scab union is DEAD.

The only righteous day in your scab unions life is the quickly approaching day the NMB wipes you pos off the map and it's assets are frozen.

Um, I know keeping up isn't your strong suit, but those weren't my words, they were another pilot's.
 
I know you love living in your bubble and believing that all others see things as you do, but they don't. I've had many more guys condemn the Nic than support it.
 
So, if all you wrote was true, how come you have lost the last 3 federal court cases?