2014 Pilot Discussion

[nic4us]

it is now impossible to meet the conditions necessary to implement the Nic. Please respect the agreements!

we will...AND...the Nic will not be "implemented" only incorporated into the joint AMR/LCC pilot seniority list.

Oh, and I flew east metal for the first time, but it was one of the IAE 321s that you SCABs stole from the West's pre-merger orders, so really no difference except for the bent checklist and sweaty smell of desperation.

You guys do know it's not a mission to Mars or anything right? I guess you are sweating that increased chance of tail strike.

 

[nevergiveup]

we will...AND...the Nic will not be "implemented" only incorporated into the joint AMR/LCC pilot seniority list.

Oh, and I flew east metal for the first time, but it was one of the IAE 321s that you SCABs stole from the West's pre-merger orders, so really no difference except for the bent checklist and sweaty smell of desperation.

You guys do know it's not a mission to Mars or anything right? I guess you are sweating that increased chance of tail strike.

She is a nasty little thing! Probably has lots of cats!

 

[Claxon]

we will...AND...the Nic will not be "implemented" only incorporated into the joint AMR/LCC pilot seniority list.

Oh, and I flew east metal for the first time, but it was one of the IAE 321s that you SCABs stole from the West's pre-merger orders, so really no difference except for the bent checklist and sweaty smell of desperation.

You guys do know it's not a mission to Mars or anything right? I guess you are sweating that increased chance of tail strike.

Your lottery ticket is invalid, now back in line and wait your turn west angry f/o scab.
 
http://articles.latimes.com/1989-10-30/business/fi-125_1_airline-america-west

 

[Claxon]

 
B717FLYER
Post Captain
Member # 269

 


Re: hatred. For various masochistic reasons I read several aviation message boards and the most distressing thing I see is all the hatred pilots exhibit for other pilots bases solely on whom their employer is. It's stupid and ignorant. While it's only human nature to seek out people to blame that doesn't make it right. I know from my conversations with AA friends (from long before the merger) that the vast majority of AA pilots were purely bystanders to the events. In fact, most pilots are purely bystanders to most union activity. One may choose to assign collective culpability to every AA pilot but that's pointless and even counter-productive. Under these circumstances hatred breeds only more hatred. This doesn't mean I'll embrace every AA pilot I pass in the terminal but it does mean, for instance, that I would never speak against an AA pilot I don't even know being hired somewhere. I don't berate AA pilots on our jumpseat. My guess is that Hawkman is one of those guys who'd deny a jumpseat to every AA guy as a matter of policy. Of course, that just leads to retribution and commuting pilots like me get screwed.

Through no fault of my own I'm now embroiled in another merger: AWA-USA. Guess what? There's bitter feelings, but not from me. There's no point. It distresses me but some of my collegues have echoed statements we hear from the rabid AA types about how USA pilots should be treated by AWA. Every airline has these people. This confirms my belief that airline pilots are pretty much the same no matter which airline they fly for. To guys like Hawk it feels better to hate but it doesn't to me.

Adam Segal
AWA FO

 

[Claxon]

 
MEC Chairman’s Message
 
February 8, 2008
 
This is MEC Chairman Jack Stephan with a chairman’s message to the pilots for Friday, February 08, 2008.
 
After nine days of talks between the US Airways and America West Steering Committees, the America West contingent has chosen to stand down talks. At this time they are not prepared to address seniority implementation issues, specifically, mitigating the damages caused by the Nicolau Award.
 
Recall that we met to determine if we had enough common ground between us on important issues to come up with a comprehensive counterproposal for both MECs to review. As we told you, this counterproposal would have to adequately address not only all open JNC issues, but more importantly for the AAA pilots, pay parity and seniority protection. We came to the neutral site at Wye River, MD with these goals in mind, and within these goals we developed certain thresholds needing to be achieved for the benefit of the US Airways pilots. Despite what you may have heard or read, none of that changed during the meeting.
 
While we respect what the AWA pilots were there to accomplish, the US Airways MEC’s position remains the same and our MEC’s Steering Committee members did not compromise that position. We never wavered from our goal of protecting you from the Nicolau Award, and our threshold for meeting those goals never changed.
 
I’ll be calling the MEC into session for a special meeting next week. While there is no comprehensive counterproposal to bring back to the MEC, they'll receive a briefing on the process, and I plan to add two other items to the agenda: developing a distribution methodology for 2007 Profit Sharing and Stock Options and to review an agreement extending the timeframe for filing disputes concerning flow-through issues.
 
The MEC will now review our options. Keep in mind that the odds of any plan we develop succeeding are greatly diminished by members of this MEC continuing to cower behind their fear of failure and seeking to sabotage any process we elect to pursue. You can see that all of the noise and accusations coming out of PHL Council 41 about the work of our Steering Committee was unfounded and disingenuous. When it came time to meet directly with our AWA counterparts, we did exactly what we said we would, AAA pilots working with AWA pilots trying to mitigate the damages of the Nicolau Award.
 
Excuses and alibis will not replace leadership. We made a promise, and we kept it. There was no cramdown, no end-run deal, no deal chasing and no back room conspiracies. I hope you did not fall for these contrived ideas spread in order to try and scare you. The majority of this MEC and your MEC officers are not afraid of failure. We said we were going to look under every stone to find solutions and we meant it. My only fear is that some of our MEC fear the search may actually produce something that would require them to lead rather than criticize. I can tell you that the majority of your MEC was willing to continue the search. Although this process has not worked so far, we are no worse off for engaging in the exercise.
 
You would have been extremely proud of our team of pilots who met at the Wye River Conference Center. These are men of honor and integrity and they are most importantly, men of their word. Their commitment to the process and to you was rock solid. Threats and intimidation attempts by some minority disenchanted MEC members and paper tigers did not sway these men of honor from pursuing the direction that the majority of the MEC had set. They did their best trying to reach a solution to the Nicolau Award. At this time the AWA pilots are unwilling to address our seniority concerns. Again, we are no worse off for having engaged in this process. We remain right where we started and that is in separate operations with the West.
 
I thank you for your patience during the past few weeks. I know it’s been difficult. There will be other options at our disposal after the MEC gets the chance to strategize internally next week. While conditions and opportunities may change, the goal has not and our threshold for success has not. Our mission remains the same, to protect you from the damages caused by the Nicolau Award.
 
Thank you for listening. As always, fly safe and continue to look out for each other.

Happy 6 year anniversary west pilots, from Wye River.  Coulda, shoulda, woulda thoughts now scabs?

 

[EastUS1]

"Eagles, ospreys, hawks, falcons, kites, owls, vultures and all other native North American birds of prey are strictly protected, to include a prohibition against the taking or possession of their parts such as feathers or talons. The only exceptions generally allowed for individuals to these prohibitions require permits from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. Educational and scientific institutions are exempted from most permit requirements."

Typical Usapian. Laws and arbitration don't apply to me...

Until caught....

Happy hunting.

 
So "you'se" are, in addition to being mighty "spartans"/"knights"/"dire wolves", true AWA "Aces" that'd have unquestionably far exceeded Capt Sullenberger's 1549 works, etc, ad nauseum, now "birds of prey" as well? Seriously? (How 'bout the wager then, mighty "hawk" or "falcon"?) 😉 Most amusing within "you'se" post is the noted need for protection from some outside agency.  Sigh! Fantasyland must be a wonderful place to live for some. "birds of prey"? This may well be the funniest joke ever posted here, which is sayin' a lot. 😉
 
The only appropriate response to such noble "knights" as "you'se": 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdd9tqnWa7E

 

[Claxon]

eric auxier, RICO defendant and former america west pilot, blog about seniority.  He talks about apa screwing twa and awa saving the jobs of the East pilots.  auxier is a narcissistic liar.
 
"Indeed, American Airlines chewed up and spit out TWA pilots so severely, that it prompted Congress to create the McCaskill-Bonds Amendment."
 
"Federal arbitrator George Nicolau..."
 
"This would force the majority of West pilots onto the street—the very pilots that had saved their jobs!"
 
"There’s no better example of this cannibalistic behavior than the 2006 purchase of bankrupt USAirways by America West Airlines. At the time, original USAirways ("East") pilots had as many furloughed (on the street) as America West ("West") had pilots."
 
http://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/4800892-formation-blog-if-i-had-1-wish-for-aviation

 

[EastUS1]

You guys do know it's not a mission to Mars or anything right?

 
Which "you'se" are naturally "qualifed" to speak about in any case...? No worries for "sparta" with such a comparsion here though, since no evidence of intelligent on life on mars has yet been found either.

 

[Claxon]

we will...AND...the Nic will not be "implemented" only incorporated into the joint AMR/LCC pilot seniority list.

Oh, and I flew east metal for the first time, but it was one of the IAE 321s that you SCABs stole from the West's pre-merger orders, so really no difference except for the bent checklist and sweaty smell of desperation.

You guys do know it's not a mission to Mars or anything right? I guess you are sweating that increased chance of tail strike.

Love reading about nic4(not anymore)us implode on this forum daily.  
 
Hows the damage awards for you proceeding?    
 
Get back in line junior.

 

[EastUS1]

I'm thinking that perhaps a helmet might be good standard equipment for this poor guy.

 
I fear that'd only amount to too little and far too late at this point.

 

[N617P]

It's Funny to listen to all You Westicles Here!!! I look forward to seeing you lost in the masses with the New American!! I see you on a daily basis flying through my station and your no where near as professional as the East Pilots!!!! USair/Piedmont would have rejected most of you if not All!!!! Cheers to USAPA for holding there own!!!!

 

[EastUS1]

If I were a Dimwit Inbred...
 

 
"If"? 😉

 

[snapthis]

It's Funny to listen to all You Westicles Here!!! I look forward to seeing you lost in the masses with the New American!! I see you on a daily basis flying through my station and your no where near as professional as the East Pilots!!!! USair/Piedmont would have rejected most of you if not All!!!! Cheers to USAPA for holding there own!!!!

Holding there (their) own.....

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In addition to the obvious East infection, other symptoms include: nausea, vomiting, water weight gain, lower back pain, receding hairline, eczema, seporiasoriasis, itching, chafing clothing, liver spots, blood clots, ringworm, excessive body odor, uneven tire wear, pyorrhea, gonorrhea, diarrhea, halitosis, scoliosis, loss of bladder control, hammertoe, the shanks, low sperm count, warped floors, cluttered drawers, hunchback, heart attack, low resale value on your home... feline leukemia, athlete's foot, head lice, clubfoot, MS, MD, VD, fleas, anxiety, sleeplessness, drowsiness, poor gas mileage, tooth decay, parvo, warts, unibrow, lazy eye, fruit flies, chest pains, clogged drains, hemorrhoids, dry heaving and sexual dysfunction caused by too much exposure to Skydrol.

 

[EastUS1]

Holding there (their) own.....

Uh...OK

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In addition to the obvious East infection, other symptoms include: nausea, vomiting, water weight gain, lower back pain, receding hairline, eczema, seporiasoriasis, itching, chafing clothing, liver spots, blood clots, ringworm, excessive body odor, uneven tire wear, pyorrhea, gonorrhea, diarrhea, halitosis, scoliosis, loss of bladder control, hammertoe, the shanks, low sperm count, warped floors, cluttered drawers, hunchback, heart attack, low resale value on your home... feline leukemia, athlete's foot, head lice, clubfoot, MS, MD, VD, fleas, anxiety, sleeplessness, drowsiness, poor gas mileage, tooth decay, parvo, warts, unibrow, lazy eye, fruit flies, chest pains, clogged drains, hemorrhoids, dry heaving and sexual dysfunction caused by too much exposure to Skydrol.

 
That's good. Take a deep, deep breath and just let it all out.  None should harbor such anger and obvious frustration. It isn't healthy to do so. Feel better and "tougher" now, mighty "spartan"...umm..."bird of prey" is the latest...? 🙂 I can understand "too much exposure to Skydrol" but don't you think "low resale value on your home..." was just a bit of a stretch?...And what's wrong with "poor gas mileage", unless "you'se" are all about wimp cars? 😉
 
Go "spartans!"..and of course Click to Donate.  http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Contributions/Leonidas_Contributions_OCT13.html   With such fine "minds" as are evidenced here "leading" the Holy Crusade; your dreams and fantasies will doubtless all come true.

 

[EastUS1]

Oh, and I flew east metal for the first time, but it was one of the IAE 321s that you SCABs stole from the West's pre-merger orders, so really no difference except for the bent checklist and sweaty smell of desperation.

 
Easy fix for both of the last: Stop bending the checklist and realize the nic's not truly "it"...or consider some upgrades in at least "you'se" deodorant. 😉