2014 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

AWA didn't have enough cash back then to buy a beltloader much less an airline, Lakefield from US put the money people together to do the deal.
otoh it's your fantasy turn the facts however you want.

 
Why couldn't Lakefield from US put the money people together prior to 2005?

 

[A320 Driver]

so, my advice is do not discuss the seniority list integration with any West pilots, particularly any West check airman who might be giving you your next line check or AQP.
 

No, that's pretty clear to me. If an East pilot says the wrong thing about seniority to a West Check Airman, expect some sort of retribution. I don't see any other way to take it. This is very good information...thank you.

 

[EastUS1]

....my advice is do not discuss the seniority list integration with any West pilots, particularly any West check airman who might be giving you your next line check or AQP.

 
Well...I can't speak for any others, but I'm now even more terrified of mighty "sparta then ever before! Sigh!...And just when it didn't seem possible for "you'se" to make even larger jokes of the west. 😉
The term Pathetic doesn't even begin to adequately serve here.

 

[EastUS1]

No, that's pretty clear to me. If an East pilot says the wrong thing about seniority to a West Check Airman, expect some sort of retribution. I don't see any other way to take it. This is very good information...thank you.

 
Indeed. That threatening BS directly suggests that the entire west contingent's even most presumably professional are naught but infantile idiots. Laughs aside; the "spartans" we see posting here largely qualify, but I know the whole of them out west aren't. No matter I suppose, since after all; nothing could truly be more terrifying than a simulator, or conversations with west folks in general, as we all know...? 😉

 

[EastUS1]

NO...

Sorry you took it that way.
 

 
There was no other way for anyone to interpret it's clear meaning. Feeling perhaps a wee bit extra-stupid for the moment now? "You'se" should.
 
Would anyone on the "spartan" spin committee care to try slithering around this one? nic4us: "so, my advice is do not discuss the seniority list integration with any West pilots, particularly any West check airman who might be giving you your next line check or AQP."

 

[Beancounter]

No, that's pretty clear to me. If an East pilot says the wrong thing about seniority to a West Check Airman, expect some sort of retribution. I don't see any other way to take it. This is very good information...thank you.

I don't know why Nic said that. I can't think of one single check airman on our side that would ever let something like a seniority disagreement effect the out come of a check ride. He/she might not be inviting you over to their house for a barbeque though if you're a jerk and start rubbing seniority stuff in their face. Not saying you're a jerk, just sayin'.

Bean

 

[EastUS1]

I don't know why Nic said that. I can't think of one single check airman on our side that would ever let something like a seniority disagreement effect the out come of a check ride. He/she might not be inviting you over to their house for a barbeque though if you're a jerk and start rubbing seniority stuff in their face. Not saying you're a jerk, just sayin'.

Bean

 
No worries here Bean. I very much doubt anyone took that as actually representative of your folks in the trng dept at all, but rather just of the poster's character. I imagine them competent and decent sorts, even if/when dealing with a person or people that might not suit their personal wishes to work with.

 

[A320 Driver]

I don't know why Nic said that. I can't think of one single check airman on our side that would ever let something like a seniority disagreement effect the out come of a check ride. He/she might not be inviting you over to their house for a barbeque though if you're a jerk and start rubbing seniority stuff in their face. Not saying you're a jerk, just sayin'.

Bean

Never had an issue with you Bean and I appreciate your post. The few West Check Airmen that I am familiar with would probably be offended and horrified by the statement numbnutz made and I gave my response so that it wouldn't pass without due diligence. That is the sort of poison that destroys any chance of civility taking over after the pendulum swings...whichever way it may.
 
Have a good one...

 

[Pi brat]

NO...

Sorry you took it that way.

I would offer the same advice to any West pilot.

The advice is keep your misinformed ideas about the SLI to yourself when dealing with other pilots, particularly other pilots who you know little about.

I am not in the training department.

Have you found where in the MOU the Nic is abandoned?

10h and I always listen to AOL's complaints and the good Judge Silver. Perhaps you've heard of a recent event in her courtroom?
 
From her order:
 
"As stated in the amended complaint, the West Pilot’s first claim is that USAPA “breached the duty of fair representation by
entering into the MOU because the MOU abandons a duty to treat the Nicolau Award as final and binding.” (Doc. 134 at 13)."
 
A pilots opinions about anything other than the operation of the airplane should have no bearing on a line check or Sim. I don't think ANY of our check airman would let it, I think it's just you being you again.

 

[Pi brat]

I don't know why Nic said that. I can't think of one single check airman on our side that would ever let something like a seniority disagreement effect the out come of a check ride. He/she might not be inviting you over to their house for a barbeque though if you're a jerk and start rubbing seniority stuff in their face. Not saying you're a jerk, just sayin'.

Bean

He said it because he is an angry AH. Nobody listens to him, just enjoy throwing his rocks back over the fence.
 
I don't think a CA east or west would pull something like that. Just as 999 out of 1000 line pilots would treat each other professionally.

 

[EastUS1]

Never had an issue with you Bean and I appreciate your post. The few West Check Airmen that I am familiar with would probably be offended and horrified by the statement numbnutz made and I gave my response so that it wouldn't pass without due diligence. That is the sort of poison that destroys any chance of civility taking over after the pendulum swings...whichever way it may.
 
Have a good one...

 
".....West Check Airmen...... would probably be offended and horrified by the statement numbnutz made..." I believe the same, without even knowing any of them personally.

 

[cltrat]

 
Why couldn't Lakefield from US put the money people together prior to 2005?

I have no ideal but it doesn't change the fact that he did.
the point is the ideal of an AWA acquisition is ludicrous.
the ideal of a US acquisition of AA would be just as ludicrous.  

 

[Black Swan]

Good morning east SCABS.
While we wait for SCAB Claxon to rerun his regurgitated assortment of Ansett articles and YouTube videos, try to keep this in mind.
Claxon claims I am am a "angry F/O", yet this is an anonymous web board from which he can summize no detail. I have offered numerous times that I was flying 320s long before the east SCABs took delivery of their first, and I have been Captain on the same since long before the AWA acquisition of your bankrupt airline.
So, my advice to him, and the rest of you east SCABs,.... (yes, you know if you are one of the uscaba supporting SCABs, so I will leave it to you to make the determination if I am addressing you....and to the east pilots that are not SCABs I apologize and feel sorry you have to intermingle with these POS scumbags).....the separate ops walls are coming down, so, my advice is do not discuss the seniority list integration with any West pilots, particularly any West check airman who might be giving you your next line check or AQP.
Now back to your regularly scheduled day of Claxon's desperate lies and misinformation. Must be his way of coping with the inevitable integration of the Nic.

What a douche.
I am sure the West C/A are professional enough to do their job the same way as the East ones. Those Who don't act as a professionals will lose their positions.

 

[Piedmont1984]

10h and I always listen to AOL's complaints and the good Judge Silver. Perhaps you've heard of a recent event in her courtroom?
 
From her order:
 
"As stated in the amended complaint, the West Pilot’s first claim is that USAPA “breached the duty of fair representation by
entering into the MOU because the MOU abandons a duty to treat the Nicolau Award as final and binding.” (Doc. 134 at 13)."
 
A pilots opinions about anything other than the operation of the airplane should have no bearing on a line check or Sim. I don't think ANY of our check airman would let it, I think it's just you being you again.

I would underscore that Silver used the words 'MOU ABANDONS a duty to treat the Nicolau Award as final and binding' and not 'MOU POSTPONES or DELAYS a duty to treat.....'.

 

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Why couldn't Lakefield from US put the money people together prior to 2005?

I can think of many but the fuel cost crisis is the biggest.  It came on so fast and lasted so long that most all the major carriers were bleeding red ink and filing for BK or were about to just to stem the blood loss.  That included AWA.  It was Lakefield's idea to try to sell many investors that a MERGED US Airways and AWA was worth investing in.  Enough did.  As of today I think the investors got their moneys worth.  But that, in a nutshell, is the truth of it.  in fact Parker and Kirby had said projections were only good out to about a month at a time....for a while.