2014 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

That will be APA's choice DOH with C&R 's and a long fence to protect their flying or roll the dice. I know which one I would chose.

The APA's choice of your wish list?

 

[luvthe9]

The APA's choice of your wish list?

Nope, it will be their choice or take the risk on arbitration.

 

[snapthis]

Snap,
 
I agree with much of your post. As far as having trouble  moving forward because they are looking to the past..I'm too busy with the present to worry about the past and the future will happen like it or not and I'll deal with that as it comes. As for dreaming about the unobtainable....I still buy lottery tickets..someone has to win!
 
All the best!
 
Bob

Since I don't play, I can't win the lottery. I'll put my money on the S&P which performed very well.

What's a retiree to do when the Belarus is in for the winter?

All the best to you, Bob.

 

[snapthis]

Nope, it will be their choice or take the risk on arbitration.

I guess it will although I don't see the risk in arbitration.

 

[luvthe9]

I guess it will although I don't see the risk in arbitration.

. Your kidding, right? 2yr. guy going ahead of a 15yr guy ring a bell.

 

[Claxon]

I guess it will although I don't see the risk in arbitration.

 
apa does.  They will blink this week.  USAPA and apa will agree on a seniority list.  They can bring their stapler if it makes them feel better, but they will not be able to use it.
 
Meanwhile, this is a form similar to what the west pilots will fill out to claim damages from their former union.  Return to sender, address unknown, will be the catch phrase of the day for all claims. 
 
http://www.twapilot.org/TWA%20vs.%20ALPA%20Documents/Survey%20and%20Letter%20from%20Attorneys.pdf

 

[snapthis]

. Your kidding, right? 2yr. guy going ahead of a 15yr guy ring a bell.

 
No,not kidding..
 
That's the argument an arbitrator heard with HP/US.
 
What do you do with a 15yr TWA guy that was hired West? Should he go behind an East pilot hired in 1999 and furloughed in 2002 who returned in 2007?

 

[767one]

Since I don't play, I can't win the lottery. I'll put my money on the S&P which performed very well.

What's a retiree to do when the Belarus is in for the winter?

All the best to you, Bob.

Snap,
 
I don't go crazy with the lottery, just a ticket now and then and the rest of the money is conservative. As for the Belarus....both myself and the Belarus have been busy since before thanksgiving moving snow and tree limbs from the snow and ice storms this winter. No mas, ready for spring!
 
Bob

 

[Piedmont1984]

Snap,
 
I don't go crazy with the lottery, just a ticket now and then and the rest of the money is conservative. As for the Belarus....both myself and the Belarus have been busy since before thanksgiving moving snow and tree limbs from the snow and ice storms this winter. No mas, ready for spring!
 
Bob

Bob

Good thing it's not a Ukrainian tractor. Might be hard to get parts soon 🙂

'84

 

[Claxon]

 
No,not kidding..
 
That's the argument an arbitrator heard with HP/US.
 
What do you do with a 15yr TWA guy that was hired West? Should he go behind an East pilot hired in 1999 and furloughed in 2002 who returned in 2007?

Post dictum order.   It is over, your comments are moot.  Move on or move out.
 
DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
))
Don Addington, et al, )
)
Plaintiffs, ) JUDGMENT IN A CIVIL CASE
)
v. ) CV 13-0471-PHX-ROS
)
US Airline Pilots Association, et al, )
)
Defendants, )
)
 
 
XX Decision by Court. This action came for consideration before the Court. The
issues have been considered and a decision has been rendered.
 
IT IS ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that pursuant to the Court's Order of
January 10, 2014, judgment is hereby entered as follows: judgment in favor of
Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I and Count IV, judgment in favor
of US Airways, Inc. on Count II, and a judgment of dismissal without prejudice on
Count III. This action are hereby terminated.
 
 
January 10, 2014 BRIAN D. KARTH
Date DCE/Clerk of Court
. s/ Ruth E. Williams
By Ruth E. Williams
Deputy Clerk

 

[Claxon]

 
What do you do with a 15yr TWA guy that was hired West? Should he go behind an East pilot hired in 1999 and furloughed in 2002 who returned in 2007?

Keep billing kevin horner for aol contributions and make him buy a tie, wish him good luck at american airlines, that is what you do with him.

 

[Beancounter]

That will be APA's choice DOH with C&R 's and a long fence to protect their flying or roll the dice. I know which one I would chose.

I can't think of one arbitration that didn't give credit for larger/international aircraft.  Have you seen their fleet and order book?  The'll win if it goes to arbitration and they know it.  Why would they accept less than they can get in arbitration and on top of it inherit the risk involved with screwing the west?  All they have to do is show half an attempt at negotiating and let the clock run down, then they run the show. 
 

. Your kidding, right? 2yr. guy going ahead of a 15yr guy ring a bell.

That arbitration was based on career expectations and the east was on the verge of liquadation.  Before you start yelling at me, I'm well aware of the value that US Airways brought to the table, I'm not the one that created the ALPA merger policy or the arbitrator.  That was the situation with our integration, it's not the case with this merger.
 
Bean

 

[Phoenix]

I can't think of one arbitration that didn't give credit for larger/international aircraft.  Have you seen their fleet and order book?  The'll win if it goes to arbitration and they know it.  Why would they accept less than they can get in arbitration and on top of it inherit the risk involved with screwing the west?  All they have to do is show half an attempt at negotiating and let the clock run down, then they run the show. 
 
That arbitration was based on career expectations and the east was on the verge of liquadation.  Before you start yelling at me, I'm well aware of the value that US Airways brought to the table, I'm not the one that created the ALPA merger policy or the arbitrator.  That was the situation with our integration, it's not the case with this merger.
 
Bean

 
I can't think of an arbitration that went the way anyone expected.  

 

[Claxon]

That arbitration was based on career expectations and the east was on the verge of liquadation.  Before you start yelling at me, I'm well aware of the value that US Airways brought to the table, I'm not the one that created the ALPA merger policy or the arbitrator.  That was the situation with our integration, it's not the case with this merger.
 
Bean

"The Financial Picture
 
From the evidence, it is clear enough that the merger with AWA was a meaningful factor in U.S. Airway’s emergence from bankruptcy. Together, the two companies were able to attract investments that, operating alone, they might not have secured. However, West’s claim that U.S. Airways emerged from bankruptcy “only because it [was] acquired by a stronger enterprise”10 is reflected neither in the KPMG audit report (cited by West)11 nor in any other portion of the evidence."
 
"There is, for example, scant support for West’s claim that, post-merger, “the focus of lender anxiety is clearly on the side of U.S.Airways" or that, following the merger, with the AWA CEO assuming the helm in Phoenix, “the predator king gets to have the top job, to grant fiefs to his chieftains, and to fly the flag over his castle!”
 
http://jamhoff.com/PDFs/ArbitratorDecisionAward.pdf
 
Beano (tm),
 
A very respected arbiter in the US Airways, america west airlines dispatcher seniority integration saw things much differently than you claim.
 
Your thoughts please beano (tm)

 

[Beancounter]

"The Financial Picture
 
From the evidence, it is clear enough that the merger with AWA was a meaningful factor in U.S. Airway’s emergence from bankruptcy. Together, the two companies were able to attract investments that, operating alone, they might not have secured. However, West’s claim that U.S. Airways emerged from bankruptcy “only because it [was] acquired by a stronger enterprise”10 is reflected neither in the KPMG audit report (cited by West)11 nor in any other portion of the evidence."
 
"There is, for example, scant support for West’s claim that, post-merger, “the focus of lender anxiety is clearly on the side of U.S.Airways" or that, following the merger, with the AWA CEO assuming the helm in Phoenix, “the predator king gets to have the top job, to grant fiefs to his chieftains, and to fly the flag over his castle!”
 
http://jamhoff.com/PDFs/ArbitratorDecisionAward.pdf
 
Beano (tm),
 
A very respected arbiter in the US Airways, america west airlines dispatcher seniority integration saw things much differently than you claim.
 
Your thoughts please beano (tm)

The career expectations of a pilot at a soon to liquadate company are far less than a pilot at a soon to enter bankruptcy company.  You can choose to view the past however you want, that's your choice.  It was what it was, but it's in the past now.  Neither of us, if we'd stayed on our own would be where we are now if it hadn't been for the first merger.  Oh yeah, I'll add he's wrong, I've read it.  He should stick to arbitration and not accounting 🙂
 
Bean