2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

I've found that it only takes 3 such gems to produce guaranteed, slack-jawed astonishment, generally coupled with some variation on WTF?...You've GOT to be kidding me!...? Those being the infamous "I hate all of you'se" drooling, simian rant, as well as the following, clinically classical demonstrations of arrested development. The whole "Shield of Leonidas", "spartan" nonsense and "army" fantasies are just entirely uneeded icing on the cake afterwards:
 

 

Just little kids playing dress up and make believe.

 

[EastUS1]

Just little kids playing dress up and make believe.

 
Pretty much.

 

[Bill Brasky]

I guess we hurt their widdle feewings.....

 

[Piedmont1984]

The NMB is aware that an early decision to grant SCS would effectively truncate the MB process. Certainly, that is the hope of APA, AOL and AAG. Why not withhold SCS until the JCBA and SLI is complete? Both already have reasonable timelines. The NMB has no dog in this fight and they control their own timeline. Rushing to judgement undermines and complicates the original process envisioned in the legislation.

Everything will get sorted out if the NMB just takes their time. Let MB work and then make a SCS determination. QED.

 

[traderjake]

The NMB is aware that an early decision to grant SCS would effectively truncate the MB process.

 
MB is not one of the factors that determine SCS.
 
Believe it or not the whole world and even American Airlines doesn't revolve around USAPA. 

 

[Piedmont1984]

MB is not one of the factors that determine SCS.
 
Believe it or not the whole world doesn't revolve USAPA.

Not what I posted. What I posted was the reverse. SCS has an effect on MB - but it shouldn't.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Not what I posted. What I posted was the reverse. SCS has an effect on MB - but it shouldn't.

I think that what is  more likely is that the APA gets set straight about who will represent the LCC pilots during the MB process.  I think that it will be that the SCS and the MB are independent, but that the APA will not have input into the representation of the former USAPA pilots.  I also believe that without a protocol agreement, it's a straight SLI agreement or MB arbitration if that fails, and that means no separate west list or representation, per Judge Silver (one thing I think she got correct).
 
I also believe that the SCS determination would effect more than just the pilot group, but other unions as well, most of which are at least as far as the pilots are away from actually combining operations. That's why I don't think it will happen as soon as some here think. 

 

[Piedmont1984]

I think that what is  more likely is that the APA gets set straight about who will represent the LCC pilots during the MB process.  I think that it will be that the SCS and the MB are independent, but that the APA will not have input into the representation of the former USAPA pilots.  I also believe that without a protocol agreement, it's a straight SLI agreement or MB arbitration if that fails, and that means no separate west list or representation, per Judge Silver (one thing I think she got correct).
 
I also believe that the SCS determination would effect more than just the pilot group, but other unions as well, most of which are at least as far as the pilots are away from actually combining operations. That's why I don't think it will happen as soon as some here think.

I agree they are independent. I'm saying one affects the other. SCS affects the MB process. APA hopes that SCS will happen soon so that they (APA) WILL have an input regarding our representation. The NMB controls the trigger. Hold off on pulling the trigger and APA CAN'T dominate the process.

IOW, if SCS happens tomorrow, that's not a good thing. Exactly how do we stop APA from running the table, manipulating our committee? What vestige of USAPA will remain the day after tomorrow? If necessary, who will direct the attorneys? How will funding for a another court battle be secured? The NMB is not ignorant of what is at stake and they can avoid creating a mess by proceeding slow and deliberate.

The devil is in the details. Hope you are right.

 

[Bill Brasky]

You're correct in that from what I read that that is what the APA and company believes.  It makes zero sense, though, in that it totally precludes the need for the MB process in the first place.  That's why I think that they will get set straight by the NMB.  If all it took was a SCS by the NMB, then the new CBA could just put whatever they want out there, why would MB exist?  Their interpretation doesn't make any sense to me at all.
 
I still think that some of these issues will need to be ironed out before the NMB rules that it is a single carrier.

 

[traderjake]

The NMB controls the trigger. Hold off on pulling the trigger and APA CAN'T dominate the process.
 

 
Pull the trigger so USAPA can't screw up the process resulting in a DFR for APA.

 

[Claxon]

MB is not one of the factors that determine SCS.
 
Believe it or not the whole world and even American Airlines doesn't revolve around USAPA.

The APA and American Airlines have just had the control taken away of the timeline. USAPA has just steered the process to the NMB and where they want it to be.
USAPA has used its tremendous experience controlling the west insurrection and applied it to the APA.
The NMB is well aware of the tactics APA is using with Parker.

 

[Pi brat]

 
Pull the trigger so USAPA can't screw up the process resulting in a DFR for APA.

USAPA asked for the arbitration panel to be named. If it goes to them before SCS, what DFR liability can the APA possibly have?

 

[Piedmont1984]

Pull the trigger so USAPA can't screw up the process resulting in a DFR for APA.

How do you know that the west will still pursue a DFR once an ISL is published? How do you know that the ISL won't meet the threshold of LUP? Even in her ruling, Silver stated that there was nothing to compare with the Nic - and there never would be. What does that mean to you?

 

[Beancounter]

I guess we hurt their widdle feewings.....

Yeah, if you guys don't start acting nicer i'm going to be the only westoff left on here. Where's the fun in that, i'm just a boring beancounter. I don't even make cool videos.

Bean

 

[Beancounter]

The APA and American Airlines have just had the control taken away of the timeline. USAPA has just steered the process to the NMB and where they want it to be.
USAPA has used its tremendous experience controlling the west insurrection and applied it to the APA.
The NMB is well aware of the tactics APA is using with Parker.

I believe you are anticipating them losing control of the process. Last time i checked they were still headed towards taking complete control.

Bean