2014 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

I agree. It looks early to me. MOU says 90 days from the POR to make the request. But the MOU doesn't provide for our current circumstance, namely, no SLI protocol agreement. And no one could have anticipated Judge Silver's assertion that USAPA cannot represent the US Airways pilots in SLI arbitration after single carrier status is granted OR the APA jumping on her bandwagon trying to go around what was obviously the intentions of the parties going into the MOU. Here we are again in uncharted territory. What we need, IMO, is someone to study Delta/Northwest and United/Continental to come up with a reasonable guide to what we can expect out of arbitration and see what such a list would look like. I'd like to know.

Uncharted... But we now have the APA, the company, and the NMB, all sending letters back and forth to each other, regarding the SLI dispute... And Marty Harper ain't one of the addressees. Not even once, by anyone.

Added to that, the company, by its own admission (the "neutral company") is chastising USAPA, in front of the NMB, for refusing to sign over its representational rights to its adversary in this dispute.. An adversary that is known for it's predatory nature, and for which cause the MB protections were written into law.

How can the NMB, observe, correspond, and recognize the disputing parties, and then preside over an arbitration that inherently eliminates one of the parties, or includes additional parties not presently acknowledged?

 

[Claxon]

Pilots haven't filed.
Mechanics, filed July 5, 2012 and the NMB declared a single carrier status on September 27, 2012.  Two months three weeks.  
Note, the NMB still recognized that AirTran was marketed separately, had different uniforms and only three airplanes were painted in Southwest colors.  SCS was still granted because the management was the same and it was "obvious the companies were to continue to merge".
 
USAPA has about two weeks left.
 
 
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2012/39n067.pdf

You, giving a timeline? Preposterous.
USAPA has driven this to a place the APA does not want to go.
Uncle Crandall warned them.
There go those 777 slots. And 787 slots.
We will call it the Christmas Warning
Just like the west Wye River
Both groups think they are smarter than the rest.
No going back APA

 

[traderjake]

Uncle Crandall warned them.
There go those 777 slots. And 787 slots.

 
Claxstradomas thinks Bob Crandall is in USAPA's corner. 

 

[Claxon]

In life the certainties are death and taxes.  Airline management has to add FAA, NMB and the legal system to the inevitability of certainty that they have to be concerned with the outcome there of.

 

[Claxon]

 
"McCaskill-Bond Amendment was law during the Southwest, Airtran pilot sli integration.  Pull up poster inquired about the Southwest Airtran union.  Southwest purchased Airtran and covertly informed them that if they did not agree to the sli offer, they would be sold off.  Bottom line, Airtran voted for the sli integration, it then became law. The AMR, US Airways union was a merger, apa thought it was a purchase by their attitude.  Big mistake."
 
Claxon

The clock is ticking apa.

 

[Res Judicata]

The clock is ticking apa.

A federal Judge blew the head off your fake union. You are entirely irrelevant. Get used to it. Nobody gives half a Schitt about you scabs.

 

[Claxon]

A federal Judge blew the head off your fake union. You are entirely irrelevant. Get used to it. Nobody gives half a Schitt about you scabs.

The head of USAPA is still intact.  Please elaborate on your thoughts.

 

[Claxon]

Res, your thoughts on elaboration of your posts?

 

[Claxon]

 

 


elaboration
  e·lab·o·ra·tion

 
 
Psychiatry. an unconscious process of expanding and embellishing a detail, especially while recalling and describing a representation in a dream so that latent content of the dream is brought into a logical and comprehensible order.

 

[luvthe9]

 
USAPA has about two weeks left.
 
 
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2012/39n067.pdf

Oh no, tick tock, tick tock.

 

[luvthe9]

A federal Judge blew the head off your fake union. You are entirely irrelevant. Get used to it. Nobody gives half a Schitt about you scabs.

Was that when she flushed your NIC down the crapper Doyal. Seek help for that anger you have.

 

[luvthe9]

Res, your thoughts on elaboration of your posts?

By far the dumbest of the west scabs.

 

[Metroyet]

How can the NMB, observe, correspond, and recognize the disputing parties, and then preside over an arbitration that inherently eliminates one of the parties, or includes additional parties not presently acknowledged?

Oh it WILL be done. . How about the NMB just set up a representational vote? You don't have a problem with democracy right?

 

[cltrat]

Oh it WILL be done. . How about the NMB just set up a representational vote? You don't have a problem with democracy right?

keep thinking that you'll be disappointed when Santa doesn't come

 

[snapthis]

You, giving a timeline? Preposterous.
USAPA has driven this to a place the APA does not want to go.
Uncle Crandall warned them.
There go those 777 slots. And 787 slots.
We will call it the Christmas Warning
Just like the west Wye River
Both groups think they are smarter than the rest.
No going back APA

That's because we are smarter. You boot a union for a weak association who has no leverage going into the merger with AA. You're a loser and the laughing stock of this industry. I've never had the luxury of being associated with the dumbest, short-sighted DOHlts in aviation........Idiots.

Wye River? Oh, go cry me a river. It's more like whine river.View attachment 10058

The West laughs at you, the APA laughs at you, the company laughes at you as noted in the latest filing. The sooner U-saps pack your bags and get the hell off our property, the better. It's time to hand the keys over to the adults. Run along now and do something productive like filling out the application for your new union.

Case 2:13-cv-00471-ROS Document 303 Filed 03/03/14

Consistent with this Courts observation, USAPA [has] change[d] its position
when it needs to do so to fit its hard and unyielding view on seniority. (Doc. No. 298
at 20:23-21:1.) Although it obviously does not agree with this Courts ruling that it has no right to participate in the seniority-integration process once it is decertified as the collective bargaining representative for the pre-merger US Airways pilots, USAPA should
be expected to abide by this Courts Order or, alternatively, seek relief from that Order with a proper motion of its own. USAPAs request to delete the additional statements from this Courts Order will only facilitate further contumacious behavior on its part. The
request should be denied.