2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

What's funnier is that you think the APA is in the West's corner... 

He's under the spell of the Chipmunk.

 

[luvthe9]

 
USAPA is the one that needs to avoid arbitration  and APA knows it .

So wrong!!

 

[traderjake]

I believe your are incorrect. APA is the one looking to avoid arbitration, this is why GH asked for the list of arbitrators. If it does go to arbitration, and probably will, can two unions negotiate a JCBA? Perhaps they can or cannot legally, but you can't have two cooks in the kitchen, it just doesn't work. 

 
Per the MOU the SLI arbitration must come after the JCBA.

 

[traderjake]

So wrong!!

 
Wrong?
 
Which of the last 5 arbitrations favors USAPA's position?
 
Arbitration gives  APA slotting by equipment and status and zero USAPA DFR liability.   

 

[luvthe9]

 
Arbitration gives  APA slotting by equipment and status and zero USAPA DFR liability.

Sure, I know they want slotting and give up all those wide body positions to us, NOT!

 

[luvthe9]

Hey, I almost forgot to congratulate the west kids in PHX I understand you guys got 8 or 9 new hires, good for you enjoy that growth!!!!!!

 

[Phoenix]

Didn't hear about the wall of scabs.  What was that all about?

Allegedly, East pilots transiting PHX were having their pics taken via Westies armed with cellphones. The pics were being posted on the "Wall of Scabs" in the crew room. The "hostile work environment" put a few people in hot water.

Spin, Nic, Rez, Golf will be along shortly to confirm or clarify.

 

[Piedmont1984]

USAPA has officially requested arbitration in two separate venues, the D.C. District Court and directly to the NMB. APA and AAG have requested SCS determination from the NMB. The NMB is not bound by the MOU. Section 13 of AM LPPs deviates from MOU regarding when arbitration can commence. MOU says not until JCBA while AM says we are already there.

Which document supersedes the other, MOU or MB?
Does District Court trump the NMB?
Who enforces the MOU?
Can the D.C. Court decision be appealed?
How long will litigation take if one party appeals?
Can an SCS determination by the NMB be challenged by USAPA?
Can an early arbitration decision from the NMB be challenged by APA/AAG?

Other than that I think I have a pretty good handle on all this.

'84

 

[traderjake]

Can an early SCS determination by the NMB be challenged by USAPA?

 
If the NMB makes a determination what would the grounds be for claiming that it is premature?

 

[Piedmont1984]

If the NMB makes a determination what would the grounds be for claiming that it is premature?

I meant if they decide SCS instead of arbitration.

 

[luvthe9]

Allegedly, East pilots transiting PHX were having their pics taken via Westies armed with cellphones. The pics were being posted on the "Wall of Scabs" in the crew room. The "hostile work environment" put a few people in hot water.
Spin, Nic, Rez, Golf will be along shortly to confirm or clarify.

Luv going down to the PHX crew room every chance I get.

 

[A320 Driver]

Allegedly, East pilots transiting PHX were having their pics taken via Westies armed with cellphones. The pics were being posted on the "Wall of Scabs" in the crew room. The "hostile work environment" put a few people in hot water.

Spin, Nic, Rez, Golf will be along shortly to confirm or clarify.

That's about a juvenile as it gets. Figures...

 

[Metroyet]

Oh USAPA...I'm really going to miss all the laughs you've provided over the years.


"Aside from being an improper request for relief made in a response to US Airways’
motion, the purported reason for USAPA’s plea – that the four statements it does not like
are mere “dicta” – is incorrect. The statements challenged by USAPA flow inexorably
from this Court’s ruling, as urged by USAPA, that only certified collective bargaining
representatives may participate in the McCaskill-Bond seniority-integration process,
thereby precluding separate representation in that process for the West Pilots."
 
Looks like the company has no problem whatsoever with Silver's unique interpretation of MB. I agree, Anything to cut out the cancerous fake union is a good thing. Looks like that's going to happen in very short order.

 

[luvthe9]

Oh USAPA...I'm really going to miss all the laughs you've provided over the years.
"Aside from being an improper request for relief made in a response to US Airways’
motion, the purported reason for USAPA’s plea – that the four statements it does not like
are mere “dicta” – is incorrect. The statements challenged by USAPA flow inexorably
from this Court’s ruling, as urged by USAPA, that only certified collective bargaining
representatives may participate in the McCaskill-Bond seniority-integration process,
thereby precluding separate representation in that process for the West Pilots."
 
Looks like the company has no problem whatsoever with Silver's unique interpretation of MB. I agree, Anything to cut out the cancerous fake union is a good thing. Looks like that's going to happen in very short order.

Pipe down Kevin, I would expect this fantasy stuff more from Spin, nice try though

 

[Metroyet]

Allegedly, East pilots transiting PHX were having their pics taken via Westies armed with cellphones. The pics were being posted on the "Wall of Scabs" in the crew room. The "hostile work environment" put a few people in hot water.

Spin, Nic, Rez, Golf will be along shortly to confirm or clarify.

Sounds like a tall tale to me.