2014 Pilot Discussion

[prechilill]

But you'll fight to the death to make sure the East gets to decide for the West what fair means? An arbitrator already did that you fking hypocrit. Is the irony and hypocrisy really that lost on you asssholes? How tone deaf can one be? Silver sure nailed that hypocritical trait didn't she?

It's going to arbitration, the West will be autonomous and get the full attention they deserve. If you didn't like the Nic 8 years ago, you're really not going to like what it looks like now.

Well said. It all comes down to what you said above: the east holes want unilateral decision making on the AWA/US integration but are screaming about the APA just abiding to a fair process for everybody.
Yes, some east holes are that stupid. These clowns on here are truly a joke and a small minority on the east.

 

[Claxon]

Well said. It all comes down to what you said above: the east holes want unilateral decision making on the AWA/US integration but are screaming about the APA just abiding to a fair process for everybody.
Yes, some east holes are that stupid. These clowns on here are truly a joke and a small minority on the east.

Res Judicata states " you fking hypocrits, ....really lost on you assholes"
Prechillil states, "well said...."
I rest my case.

 

[cltrat]

Res Judicata states " you fking hypocrits, ....really lost on you assholes"
Prechillil states, "well said...."
I rest my case.

I didn't figure I was the only one who thought that...lol

 

[im back..!!]

You're an idiot.
 
APA is not going to make our NB pilots senior to their WB pilots. 
 
Keep begging though, it's all you got.

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The APA gave up there Choices last nite....
Its up to a panel of 3 now.

Good luck to us all....

 

[im back..!!]

Its just makes one wonder....
If its good enough for every other group,
And good enough for us for monthly bidding, equipment bidding, vacation biddingnon-reving,...
Why do we argue over seniority when the other side is bringing enough air craft to justify there side...
Unless.....lll we wont to benefit at our counterparts expense...lts as simple as that...l.

If you want anything other than DOH, then why didnt you want that at your previouse air
Ine...in house...
I think the 767 guys should be senior to the 777 guys..... How stupid does that sound....

Same as the 767 guys at this carrier, should be senior to the 767 guys at the other...

 

[traderjake]

And good enough for us for monthly bidding, equipment bidding, vacation biddingnon-reving,...
 

 
Equipment, monthly and vacation bidding is done by seniority, not DOH.
 
Just ask the Shuttle and Empire guys.

 

[im back..!!]

You wasted 5 years on LOA 93 and now your DOH pipedream is slipping away.
 
No wonder you can't think straight.

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My DOH pipe dream came true Dan.... By delaying till it,became non legit, i have moved up in seniority(as have you) to gain a 330 capt position.
The MOU mandates a no bump, no flush...
So, I won Danny....l.got it.
I am now a 330 captain, that cant be taken away, and if they do, they must pay me...
Done dude.....say anything, but remember, im getting paid.....read it and weep, mu DOH got me 330 capt.... Wouldnt happen with NIC....sooooo, I won, ;-)

 

[Claxon]

 
Equipment, monthly and vacation bidding is done by seniority, not DOH.
 
Just ask the Shuttle and Empire guys.

 
"SENIORITY:
Seniority s h a l l continue t o be governed by the provisions of Section 19 of the
Basic Agreement except as follows:
A. Former Empire p i l o t s shall be placed on the Piedmont Pilot System
Seniority List on January 3, 1986 following the most junior Piedmont
p i l o t i n the same order that they appear on the Empire Pilot Seniority
List dated January 15, 1986"

Should we query the Empire pilots on some other facts regarding their merger partners?

 

[traderjake]

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My DOH pipe dream came true Dan.... By delaying till it,became non legit, i have moved up in seniority(as have you) to gain a 330 capt position.
The MOU mandates a no bump, no flush...
So, I won Danny....l.got it.
I am now a 330 captain, that cant be taken away, and if they do, they must pay me...
Done dude.....say anything, but remember, im getting paid.....read it and weep, mu DOH got me 330 capt.... Wouldnt happen with NIC....sooooo, I won, ;-)

 
Yep, you succeeded in stealing jobs from West pilots and now brag about it.
 
We'll see if the next arbitration puts the West guys where they belong, it won't be DOH.

 

[Claxon]

 
[SIZE=medium]"This decision was made in the interest of United pilot unity.  We are now one pilot group and we must stand together."[/SIZE]

 
ual,cal pilots.  amr, US Airways Pilots.   "Same old song and dance."
 
"""united Pilots alpa mec"""
 
[SIZE=large]"March 6, 2014[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]Although we are now one MEC and one pilot group, some issues that arose while we were still separate MECs continue to require attention.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]One of these issues is a dispute against UCH under Section 4-A of the Transition and Process Agreement (TPA) filed in January 2012.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]The dispute arose in response to the Company’s having struck an agreement, outside the confines of Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA) negotiations, with the Continental Master Executive Council (MEC) to grant profit sharing to the Continental pilots outside of the provisions of the existing L-CAL CBA and TPA. When the Company entered into an agreement with the L-CAL MEC, ALPA grieved the issue utilizing outside Counsel. The Association’s case, heard by Neutral Richard Bloch, claimed that the Company erred in failing to obtain the national union’s agreement, as reflected by the absence of the ALPA President’s signature.  ALPA requested that the grievance be granted and that the matter be remanded to the parties for consideration of an appropriate remedy. [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]The TPA was designed as a standstill agreement that prevented the Company from dealing solely with one legacy pilot group or the other during negotiations of the new JCBA. All matters were supposed to be handled between the Association, acting as a unitary body, and the Company. The ALPA Joint Negotiating Committee (JNC) at the time was negotiating for the benefit of all 12,000 United pilots and was seeking profit sharing in the JCBA.  [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]The grievance was successful. Neutral Richard Bloch agreed with ALPA, ruling that UCH violated the TPA when UCH paid 2011 profit sharing to the L-CAL pilot group outside the negotiated terms of the TPA and existing L-CAL CBA.  The case was then remanded to the parties to agree on a proper remedy.  [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]For several months, the Association attempted to engage the Company on settlement talks which proved fruitless. The Company did not respond positively to our proposals which would have created additional value for United pilots, and the case was referred back to Neutral Bloch for resolution of remedy. [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]From the first day of the complaint, Company senior management and attorneys insisted that the first step in any remedy should be rescission of Profit Sharing from the L-CAL pilots. Management suggested and argued in arbitration that they would simply take back the disputed profit sharing payments from the L-CAL pilots. Although entirely viable, this solution was unacceptable to the L-UAL MEC, and we refused to entertain such a divisive and inflammatory concept. It was decided that although the L-UAL pilots were certainly harmed by the decision to award profit sharing, they would not allow that harm to be visited on the L-CAL pilots.  The L-UAL MEC position was, and is, that our management should compensate the L-UAL pilots with an amount comparable to the amount paid to L-CAL pilots as a remedy for the Company’s violation of the TPA.  [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]Management refused ALPA’s efforts to seek justice, and on March 4, Arbitrator Bloch issued his final decision. [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]According to the decision, L-UAL had one legal option, to demand rescission or “claw back” of the awarded money. [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]Neutral Bloch found that, [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]There is no real question the Company’s actions could be (and were) viewed as a violation of the TPA that could reasonably threaten the vitality of the Union’s representational stance.  The sole question presented here is whether, and to what extent, a make-whole monetary remedy is appropriate.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]There was a remedy available to the Union, at least from a purely contractual standpoint:  It could properly have demanded rescission of the Company’s grant.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]Nothing in this opinion should be read as minimizing the potentially devastating impact of a Company’s adjusting contract terms outside the context of collective bargaining.  In terms of both statutory and contractual proscriptions, unilateral actions of this nature are prohibited, as has been routinely held in countless administrative and court decisions too numerous to require citing, and which was found in the earlier arbitration case between these parties, cited above.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]The requested remedy was denied.[/SIZE]
 
 
 
 
 
[SIZE=medium]Although we strongly disagree with the Neutral’s decision on the remedy, we stand by our decision not to seek rescission from the L-CAL pilots.  This decision was made in the interest of United pilot unity.  We are now one pilot group and we must stand together.  Further, unlike our management, we are well aware that two wrongs never make a right. We will continue to resist UCH management’s efforts to divide the United pilots.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]A second dispute (CBA 3-L), over the dilution of money from L-UAL contractual Profit sharing “bucket,” is ongoing.[/SIZE]

 

[Claxon]

 
Yep, you succeeded in stealing jobs from West pilots and now brag about it.
 
We'll see if the next arbirtation puts the West guys where they belong.

Your pappy got you the pilot job at US Airways over all other qualified applicants.  How does one account for that nepotism related unfairness?  (sarcasm)  You have to live with that fact forever, best of luck to you.

 

[traderjake]

How's the trademark lawsuit coming?
 
Did you get any of our union dues?

 

[Claxon]

How's the trademark lawsuit coming?
 
Did you get any of our union dues?

To whom are you directing your mis information?  To have a meaningful conversation, one has to have a point.

 

[Phoenix]

Your pappy got you the pilot job at US Airways over all other qualified applicants.  How does one account for that nepotism related unfairness?  (sarcasm)  You have to live with that fact forever, best of luck to you.
 

 
 
It got to him.  He had to react and confirm your point.  

 

[EastUS1]

Res Judicata states " you fking hypocrits, ....really lost on you assholes"
Prechillil states, "well said...."
I rest my case.

I didn't figure I was the only one who thought that...lol

 
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