John Jurik, another "victim". John Jurik and Johnny mac, these are email quotes.
How about bringing this to a court of law, your west pilot group has not hesitated before with the legal briefs?
Bill Glynn comments issued in an email, (email addresses not stolen from a company computer)
"Here is a little behind the scenes look at the latest BPR Meeting that they either can't or won't give you because of constraints on what they can tell you.
First off, the latest west BPR Reps continue to act as immature children and will do anything and everything they can to continually disrupt the meetings. For instance, in a serious discussion with the attorney's about important items they are discussing, a west rep will interrupt by asking "How do we get out of this @#&%$ union? It is no small wonder that at least one, if not all of the east reps don't take one or all three of these guys out to have a "Parking Lot attitude change." Their restraint is commendable.
If we have learned nothing else in this unfortunate experience with the west is that many do not deserve to be labeled Professional Pilots. What they are is small minded children with a inferiority complex that shows itself at every opportunity.
Just to give you another example, since they have won NOTHING the last 4 times they have been in court, they are now resorting to threats that they will sue every BPR member that has ever served representing the east. They continue to exhibit a maturity level of someone that is about seven and yet they think they are "winning" the battle. Instead, it reinforces in everyone that associates with them that they can never be held in anything but the lowest esteem.
More background on the latest Grievance we have "won." The Grievance Committee was forced to negotiate the grievances that we thought we had agreed to when we negotiated the MOU the first time. Let me make sure you understand this. The so called Corporate Culture that Parker and Kirby claim they want has us as "B" scale pilots making less money than the American pilots and when we negotiated the MOU and thought we were getting equal pay for equal work, it never happened. In a nut shell, we were forced to negotiate once again the same items we negotiated once before and thought we got. But are we getting those agreed to items? Maybe eventually since the company will not tell us when, if ever they will agree honor the agreement. There is certainly zero chance they will pay us the back wages that we should get. But I find it interesting that the company will go to great expense to make sure the American Pilots receive what they negotiated, but spend little to make sure we get what is due us. Where would all these people be today without the east pilot's sacrifice? That question has yet to be asked or answered.
That is what happens when you agree to an open ended MOU where many of the items those of us that objected to the MOU as it was negotiated by Gary Hummel tried to warn you about. How many thousands of dollars will each of us not be paid is a good question? The "New American" just made record profits this last quarter once again on the backs of the east pilots.
The BPR had to make a decision. Vote against this agreed to grievance and hope some day we get what was promised or go to arbitration and hope for the best. The Grievance Committee Chairman Dave Ciabattoni recommended they vote for it, so with noses held, they did.
I wish we had a Union President that had the guts to stand up to Parker and Kirby in public and demand an explanation into their conduct as regards the new Corporate Culture. But that would be totally out of character for Gary. Enough said about that for now.
After the last vote, I am convinced more than ever that apathy here is the biggest problem. Too many pilots do not take the time or expend the energy to keep up to date on important issues. I had pilots ask me what that issue was all about in the last pilot vote and when told, they were hoping for another chance to vote since they didn't vote the first time. It is so frustrating that these issues go under their radar because they are too lazy to look up to see what is happening. But we get what we deserve when that happens.
Not withstanding the West BPR Reps, we have a great bunch of east reps and they are doing their best to guide this union with little or no recognition for how much they do and how much they sacrifice of their time and money. They are rarely given Flight Pay Loss and often lose money by doing union work. I salute them, past and present."
Bill Glynn
"The following letter if from a West BPR Rep to John Hale accusing me of promoting hostility to the west reps. In his statement to John Hale, he includes the sentence I wrote: "It is no small wonder that at least one, if not all the east reps don't take one or all three of these guys out to the parking lot to have a "Parking Lot Attitude Change" The problem with his complain is that he intentionally omits the next sentence where I say, "Their restraint is commendable." So, not only am I NOT advocating violence, but I commend them for NOT doing it.
But this is what we have all come to love and expect about the west. Disinformation is the order of the day."
Bill Glynn
Quote below from John Jurik,,,,,,,
From: junebug172@mac.com
To: John.hale@aa.com
CC: bob.johnson@aa.com, bpr@usairlinepilots.org, b767pilot@aol.com, kenneth.wood@aa.com
Sent: 4/28/2014 2:36:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Regarding Bill Glynn - Hostile Workplace
Captain Hale,
It has recently come to my attention than an east pilot, Bill Glynn, has sent out an email that one could construe as advocating violence specifically against west representatives. I have had the opportunity to read the email and do agree that it does contain a message of violence in the following statement:
It is no small wonder that at least one, if not all of the east reps don't take one or all three of these guys out to have a "Parking Lot attitude change.”
Having recently acted as a Duely Designated Representative for one of our elected pilots, I no longer feel comfortable attending meeting in CLT for fear of an “attitude change” if I speak my mind on behalf of the west pilot group.
Since can’t speak on Bill’s behalf as to whether he’s merely pointing out the fact that the east representatives have not acted physically against the west representatives or if he’s sending a message that they should consider doing so, I would consider investigating Bill’s intent and logic for sending such an email.
John Jurik
First Officer
PHX
Poster added comment (former america west pilot with a NSF alpa issued lottery ticket)
How about bringing this to a court of law, your west pilot group has not hesitated before with the legal briefs?
Bill Glynn comments issued in an email, (email addresses not stolen from a company computer)
"Here is a little behind the scenes look at the latest BPR Meeting that they either can't or won't give you because of constraints on what they can tell you.
First off, the latest west BPR Reps continue to act as immature children and will do anything and everything they can to continually disrupt the meetings. For instance, in a serious discussion with the attorney's about important items they are discussing, a west rep will interrupt by asking "How do we get out of this @#&%$ union? It is no small wonder that at least one, if not all of the east reps don't take one or all three of these guys out to have a "Parking Lot attitude change." Their restraint is commendable.
If we have learned nothing else in this unfortunate experience with the west is that many do not deserve to be labeled Professional Pilots. What they are is small minded children with a inferiority complex that shows itself at every opportunity.
Just to give you another example, since they have won NOTHING the last 4 times they have been in court, they are now resorting to threats that they will sue every BPR member that has ever served representing the east. They continue to exhibit a maturity level of someone that is about seven and yet they think they are "winning" the battle. Instead, it reinforces in everyone that associates with them that they can never be held in anything but the lowest esteem.
More background on the latest Grievance we have "won." The Grievance Committee was forced to negotiate the grievances that we thought we had agreed to when we negotiated the MOU the first time. Let me make sure you understand this. The so called Corporate Culture that Parker and Kirby claim they want has us as "B" scale pilots making less money than the American pilots and when we negotiated the MOU and thought we were getting equal pay for equal work, it never happened. In a nut shell, we were forced to negotiate once again the same items we negotiated once before and thought we got. But are we getting those agreed to items? Maybe eventually since the company will not tell us when, if ever they will agree honor the agreement. There is certainly zero chance they will pay us the back wages that we should get. But I find it interesting that the company will go to great expense to make sure the American Pilots receive what they negotiated, but spend little to make sure we get what is due us. Where would all these people be today without the east pilot's sacrifice? That question has yet to be asked or answered.
That is what happens when you agree to an open ended MOU where many of the items those of us that objected to the MOU as it was negotiated by Gary Hummel tried to warn you about. How many thousands of dollars will each of us not be paid is a good question? The "New American" just made record profits this last quarter once again on the backs of the east pilots.
The BPR had to make a decision. Vote against this agreed to grievance and hope some day we get what was promised or go to arbitration and hope for the best. The Grievance Committee Chairman Dave Ciabattoni recommended they vote for it, so with noses held, they did.
I wish we had a Union President that had the guts to stand up to Parker and Kirby in public and demand an explanation into their conduct as regards the new Corporate Culture. But that would be totally out of character for Gary. Enough said about that for now.
After the last vote, I am convinced more than ever that apathy here is the biggest problem. Too many pilots do not take the time or expend the energy to keep up to date on important issues. I had pilots ask me what that issue was all about in the last pilot vote and when told, they were hoping for another chance to vote since they didn't vote the first time. It is so frustrating that these issues go under their radar because they are too lazy to look up to see what is happening. But we get what we deserve when that happens.
Not withstanding the West BPR Reps, we have a great bunch of east reps and they are doing their best to guide this union with little or no recognition for how much they do and how much they sacrifice of their time and money. They are rarely given Flight Pay Loss and often lose money by doing union work. I salute them, past and present."
Bill Glynn
"The following letter if from a West BPR Rep to John Hale accusing me of promoting hostility to the west reps. In his statement to John Hale, he includes the sentence I wrote: "It is no small wonder that at least one, if not all the east reps don't take one or all three of these guys out to the parking lot to have a "Parking Lot Attitude Change" The problem with his complain is that he intentionally omits the next sentence where I say, "Their restraint is commendable." So, not only am I NOT advocating violence, but I commend them for NOT doing it.
But this is what we have all come to love and expect about the west. Disinformation is the order of the day."
Bill Glynn
Quote below from John Jurik,,,,,,,
From: junebug172@mac.com
To: John.hale@aa.com
CC: bob.johnson@aa.com, bpr@usairlinepilots.org, b767pilot@aol.com, kenneth.wood@aa.com
Sent: 4/28/2014 2:36:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Regarding Bill Glynn - Hostile Workplace
Captain Hale,
It has recently come to my attention than an east pilot, Bill Glynn, has sent out an email that one could construe as advocating violence specifically against west representatives. I have had the opportunity to read the email and do agree that it does contain a message of violence in the following statement:
It is no small wonder that at least one, if not all of the east reps don't take one or all three of these guys out to have a "Parking Lot attitude change.”
Having recently acted as a Duely Designated Representative for one of our elected pilots, I no longer feel comfortable attending meeting in CLT for fear of an “attitude change” if I speak my mind on behalf of the west pilot group.
Since can’t speak on Bill’s behalf as to whether he’s merely pointing out the fact that the east representatives have not acted physically against the west representatives or if he’s sending a message that they should consider doing so, I would consider investigating Bill’s intent and logic for sending such an email.
John Jurik
First Officer
PHX
Poster added comment (former america west pilot with a NSF alpa issued lottery ticket)
