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APA INFORMATION HOTLINE​
This is APA Communications Director Gregg Overman with the APA Information Hotline for Thursday, June 19.
NATIONAL MEDIATION BOARD RULING: The National Mediation Board issued a determination today in response to an application filed by the CWA/IBT on behalf of the passenger-service employees at American Airlines and US Airways, declaring that "American and US Airways constitute a single transportation system." APA continues to await a response from the NMB to our application for a single-carrier finding.
In supporting its determination, the NMB noted the following:
The Pilot MTA, among the Carriers and the two unions representing the Pilots of the respective airlines, contains the common terms and conditions of employment that are already applicable to both Pilot groups. The MTA, which became effective on December 9, 2013, consists of the 2012 pre-merger American Pilot CBA, as amended by and pursuant to the provisions of a Memorandum of Understanding Regarding Contingent Collective Bargaining Agreement ("Pilot MOU").
Absent agreement to, or ratification of, a Joint CBA ("JCBA") within a specified limited time-frame, the Pilot MOU provides that the terms of the Pilot JCBA will be imposed through "final and binding" interest arbitration. Because of limits on the interest arbitrator's jurisdiction contained in the Pilot MOU, the material post-merger terms and conditions of employment for the legacy US Airways and American Pilots have already been established. The Pilot MOU also prescribes that the Pilot seniority-integration negotiation and arbitration process, pursuant to the McCaskill-Bond statute and the Pilot MOU, shall begin "as soon as possible" after the close of the merger and must conclude no later than 24 months after the December 9, 2013 merger effective date, including a final and binding arbitration if necessary.
APA BOARD OF DIRECTORS SPECIAL MEETING: The APA board of directors reconvened for its special meeting at 9 a.m. The first order of business was an executive-session briefing by Scope Committee Chairman FO Tim Hamel. The meeting agenda also included a briefing by Check Airman Committee Chairman CA Jeff Mayer, who enumerated the following check airman priorities: increasing the monthly guarantee from 88 hours to 90 hours to match the 12-month IMAX, increasing proficiency flying from 73 hours and one line rotation to 150 hours and two line rotations, and establishing displacement and apportionment pay. Also, Membership Committee member FO Rich Jones briefed the board on a variety of membership issues.
The board voted to approve the following resolutions and motions:
 
  • A motion stipulating that "the APA Board of Directors directs the APA Negotiating Committee to provide the APA Board of Directors with a confidential weekly written JCBA synopsis which shall include specific CBA sections discussed, progress report and timeline, immediate feedback from associated Committee Chairmen, and last positions of APA and management. This synopsis will commence immediately concerning all JCBA communications and negotiations."
  • A motion "to confirm that per Resolutions R2006-61 Rev. 1, and R2014-07 Rev. 1, as a condition precedent to the APA President or APA Board of Directors acting on a request for reinstatement to the pilot system seniority list for a pilot who was removed from the AA seniority list in accordance with Section 11.D. or Supplement F(1) of the CBA, the requesting pilot must have a current FAA class medical certificate."
  • A motion to elect ORD-based FO Bob Dunning to serve as a member of the Seniority Defense Fund.
  • R2014-34, "Custodial Care Benefit Plan Contribution Holiday," which "approves amending the APA Voluntary Supplemental Medical and Custodial Care Benefit Plan to implement a contribution holiday for the Custodial Care Benefit coverage for a 12-month period effective October 1, 2014."

Also, please note that the board's election this week of CA Drew Engelke to the Seniority Integration Committee involved a waiver of APA Policy Manual Section 4.26.
The board adjourned its meeting at around 1:30 p.m.
ATTENTION RESERVE PILOTS: Please remember that the deadline for bidding "pre-plotted" RAP Assignments following DFPs for June 23–July 1 is tomorrow at 1000 HBT. Be sure to update your standing RAP preferences no later than 1000 HBT tomorrow. Available RAPs for your four-part bid status can be found on the RAP table.
Also, be sure to reference the other implementation materials APA has provided, including the Reserve Pilot Notification Table and Procedures for Bidding for Pre-Plotted RAPs and Long Call Using AVRS and HIRPB.
That's it for now. Thank you for checking this hotline.

DOMICILE MEETINGS
BOS—June 26, 9 a.m., the Hook, ground floor. Doors open 8:30 a.m.
STL—June 27, 10 a.m.–2 p.m., Crowne Plaza St. Louis Airport. Lunch at 11:30 a.m. Topics: new reserve rules, Supp C status report, STL base representation changes, updates on single-carrier status, JCBA negotiations. RSVP your name, employee number and lunch attendance: stl.vice.apa@gmail.com.
LAX—June 27, 10 a.m., Hacienda Hotel. Doors open 9:30 a.m. Guest speaker Negotiating Committee Chairman CA Dave Brown. Lunch served. Meeting for APA members in good standing. RSVP CA Brian Sullivan.
MIA—July 28, 10 a.m.–2 p.m., Hotel MIA 7th floor. Topics for discussion will include single-carrier status, JCBA and SLI.
 
snapthis said:
 
APA INFORMATION HOTLINE​
This is APA Communications Director Gregg Overman with the APA Information Hotline for Thursday, June 19.
NATIONAL MEDIATION BOARD RULING: The National Mediation Board issued a determination today in response to an application filed by the CWA/IBT on behalf of the passenger-service employees at American Airlines and US Airways, declaring that "American and US Airways constitute a single transportation system." APA continues to await a response from the NMB to our application for a single-carrier finding.
In supporting its determination, the NMB noted the following:
The Pilot MTA, among the Carriers and the two unions representing the Pilots of the respective airlines, contains the common terms and conditions of employment that are already applicable to both Pilot groups. The MTA, which became effective on December 9, 2013, consists of the 2012 pre-merger American Pilot CBA, as amended by and pursuant to the provisions of a Memorandum of Understanding Regarding Contingent Collective Bargaining Agreement ("Pilot MOU").
Absent agreement to, or ratification of, a Joint CBA ("JCBA") within a specified limited time-frame, the Pilot MOU provides that the terms of the Pilot JCBA will be imposed through "final and binding" interest arbitration. Because of limits on the interest arbitrator's jurisdiction contained in the Pilot MOU, the material post-merger terms and conditions of employment for the legacy US Airways and American Pilots have already been established. The Pilot MOU also prescribes that the Pilot seniority-integration negotiation and arbitration process, pursuant to the McCaskill-Bond statute and the Pilot MOU, shall begin "as soon as possible" after the close of the merger and must conclude no later than 24 months after the December 9, 2013 merger effective date, including a final and binding arbitration if necessary.
APA BOARD OF DIRECTORS SPECIAL MEETING: The APA board of directors reconvened for its special meeting at 9 a.m. The first order of business was an executive-session briefing by Scope Committee Chairman FO Tim Hamel. The meeting agenda also included a briefing by Check Airman Committee Chairman CA Jeff Mayer, who enumerated the following check airman priorities: increasing the monthly guarantee from 88 hours to 90 hours to match the 12-month IMAX, increasing proficiency flying from 73 hours and one line rotation to 150 hours and two line rotations, and establishing displacement and apportionment pay. Also, Membership Committee member FO Rich Jones briefed the board on a variety of membership issues.
The board voted to approve the following resolutions and motions:
 
  • A motion stipulating that "the APA Board of Directors directs the APA Negotiating Committee to provide the APA Board of Directors with a confidential weekly written JCBA synopsis which shall include specific CBA sections discussed, progress report and timeline, immediate feedback from associated Committee Chairmen, and last positions of APA and management. This synopsis will commence immediately concerning all JCBA communications and negotiations."
  • A motion "to confirm that per Resolutions R2006-61 Rev. 1, and R2014-07 Rev. 1, as a condition precedent to the APA President or APA Board of Directors acting on a request for reinstatement to the pilot system seniority list for a pilot who was removed from the AA seniority list in accordance with Section 11.D. or Supplement F(1) of the CBA, the requesting pilot must have a current FAA class medical certificate."
  • A motion to elect ORD-based FO Bob Dunning to serve as a member of the Seniority Defense Fund.
  • R2014-34, "Custodial Care Benefit Plan Contribution Holiday," which "approves amending the APA Voluntary Supplemental Medical and Custodial Care Benefit Plan to implement a contribution holiday for the Custodial Care Benefit coverage for a 12-month period effective October 1, 2014."
Also, please note that the board's election this week of CA Drew Engelke to the Seniority Integration Committee involved a waiver of APA Policy Manual Section 4.26.
The board adjourned its meeting at around 1:30 p.m.
ATTENTION RESERVE PILOTS: Please remember that the deadline for bidding "pre-plotted" RAP Assignments following DFPs for June 23–July 1 is tomorrow at 1000 HBT. Be sure to update your standing RAP preferences no later than 1000 HBT tomorrow. Available RAPs for your four-part bid status can be found on the RAP table.
Also, be sure to reference the other implementation materials APA has provided, including the Reserve Pilot Notification Table and Procedures for Bidding for Pre-Plotted RAPs and Long Call Using AVRS and HIRPB.
That's it for now. Thank you for checking this hotline.

DOMICILE MEETINGS
BOS—June 26, 9 a.m., the Hook, ground floor. Doors open 8:30 a.m.
STL—June 27, 10 a.m.–2 p.m., Crowne Plaza St. Louis Airport. Lunch at 11:30 a.m. Topics: new reserve rules, Supp C status report, STL base representation changes, updates on single-carrier status, JCBA negotiations. RSVP your name, employee number and lunch attendance: stl.vice.apa@gmail.com.
LAX—June 27, 10 a.m., Hacienda Hotel. Doors open 9:30 a.m. Guest speaker Negotiating Committee Chairman CA Dave Brown. Lunch served. Meeting for APA members in good standing. RSVP CA Brian Sullivan.
MIA—July 28, 10 a.m.–2 p.m., Hotel MIA 7th floor. Topics for discussion will include single-carrier status, JCBA and SLI.
 
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AKA, island life in PHX will not change for years. 
 
snapthis said:
It could be worse. A 600 sq ft apt on Manhattan Island.

No thanks
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Yes, you are correct (satire) all East pilots live in such an abode.
 
East pilots call it, that an a dollar per square foot plus and it gets you a liberty west tie, it does not get you a cup of coffee though.
 
Wow, a little news and Spinthis is back on his pony, just setting himself up for another disappointment. With all the lawsuits coming this will be years before anything happens good for both sides.
 
The Pilot MTA, among the Carriers and the two unions representing the
Pilots of the respective airlines, contains the common terms and conditions of
employment that are already applicable to both Pilot groups. The MTA, which
became effective on December 9, 2013, consists of the 2012 pre-merger
American Pilot CBA, as amended by and pursuant to the provisions of a
Memorandum of Understanding Regarding Contingent Collective Bargaining
Agreement (“Pilot MOU”).
 
Absent agreement to, or ratification of, a Joint CBA  (“JCBA”) within a
specified limited time-frame, the Pilot MOU provides that the terms of the Pilot
JCBA will be imposed through “final and binding” interest arbitration. Because
of limits on the interest arbitrator’s jurisdiction contained in the Pilot MOU, the
material post-merger terms and conditions of employment for the legacy US
Airways and American Pilots have already been established. The Pilot MOU also
prescribes that the Pilot seniority-integration negotiation and arbitration
process, pursuant to the McCaskill-Bond statute and the Pilot MOU, shall
begin “as soon as possible” after the close of the merger and must conclude no
later than 24 months after the December 9, 2013 merger effective date,
including a final and binding arbitration if necessary.
 
APA made its draft PA public not to inform AA's pilots, but to inform US Airways' pilots to build pressure on the BPR. APA knows that the BPR has kept the draft PA, UMTA, GA, and settlement offer private and our union has not been transparent with the rank-and-file. And, APA knows the BPR Hardliner's history, which is why I believe APA's new PA proposal gives USAPA an out or a way out of its box. The question is will USAPA seize this opportunity?

Last week was another bad week for USAPA with the union losing three legal battles. With the M-B ISL situation resting with the NMB and Judge Howell, APA just provided USAPA an opportunity to shift blame to an arbitrator for the West getting a seat at the MB ISL table. This will give USAPA political cover and permit the union to not take responsibility for the Nic to possibly become USAPA's M-B ISL starting point with a final and binding arbitration to determine whether or not the West can have a seat at the M-B ISL table, if required.

I bright East pilot said, “And a number of USAPA's leadership will gladly have the lawyers press a losing case, so that they can blame the lawyers or the courts for a bad outcome, rather than having to make a hard decision themselves and accept the ‘blame’ from the pilot group.”

AMR, LCC, AAG, APA, and AOL have pushed for a 3-way ISL arbitration in US Airways' Summary judgment & Motion to Reconsider and APA/AAG's M-B Injunction Reply, M-B Injunction Counterclaim, and Draft PA. Furthermore, I believe AAG/APA will continue to do so.

A bright West pilot said, "(East pilots) might believe that the 'changing circumstance' will dismantle the Nic, however, I doubt any arbitration panel will. IMO the arbitration panel will certainly consider the intervening 7 years that the Nic hasn't been used but, in the opposite direction that you see. I see them considering the harm foisted upon the West pilots as they construct the SLI. Jeff Freund is sure to present this in an elegant yet poignant argument to the panel."

How will this thought affect the agenda driven BPR?
 
The later today the NMB made its CWA/IBT SCC determination. I believe the NMB's comments regarding the two pilot groups is very interesting. I suspect APA knew this ruling was pending along with the NMB's comments in the Determination, which were highlighted in APA's Information Hotline, when APA made its Draft PA public. Both APA's public dissemination of its PA proposal and today's NMB CWA/IBT filing (along with the NMB's pilot language) has ratcheted up the pressure on USAPA. The NMB appears to be close to making a SCC ruling where APA will become our union. Will USAPA agree to APA's PA proposal or risk having no PA when the NMB likely rules on SCC in the not-too-distant future?

APA has now taken the PA discussions public with SCC looming, which clearly places more pressure on USAPA and will force our union to be more transparent. The question is will USAPA accept APA’s PA terms or will the union reject the terms and then double down on its NMB and District Court bet?

My guess? USAPA will reject APA’s draft PA proposal, which will be interesting because this time the rank-and-file will finally know what’s going on with the NMB SCC and M-B Injunction lawsuit risk looming on the horizon.

However, in the end, I believe the West pilots will get their own MC when it is all said and done. Why? Everybody but USAPA wants it and as the bright East pilot said, "any neutral onlooker will see that that (USAPA's) desire to exclude the West (pilots) is driven by agenda.”
 
traderjake said:
The Pilot MTA, among the Carriers and the two unions representing the
Pilots of the respective airlines, contains the common terms and conditions of
employment that are already applicable to both Pilot groups. The MTA, which
became effective on December 9, 2013, consists of the 2012 pre-merger
American Pilot CBA, as amended by and pursuant to the provisions of a
Memorandum of Understanding Regarding Contingent Collective Bargaining
Agreement (“Pilot MOU”).
 
Absent agreement to, or ratification of, a Joint CBA  (“JCBA”) within a
specified limited time-frame, the Pilot MOU provides that the terms of the Pilot
JCBA will be imposed through “final and binding” interest arbitration. Because
of limits on the interest arbitrator’s jurisdiction contained in the Pilot MOU, the
material post-merger terms and conditions of employment for the legacy US
Airways and American Pilots have already been established. The Pilot MOU also
prescribes that the Pilot seniority-integration negotiation and arbitration
process, pursuant to the McCaskill-Bond statute and the Pilot MOU, shall
begin “as soon as possible” after the close of the merger and must conclude no
later than 24 months after the December 9, 2013 merger effective date,
including a final and binding arbitration if necessary.
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How have the timelines in the MOU held up so far? PBS LOA? Protocol Agreement? JCBA? How do you enforce a timeline in the MTA?

2017 at the earliest for a completed SLI.

Skier
 
traderjake said:
The Pilot MTA, among the Carriers and the two unions representing the
Pilots of the respective airlines, contains the common terms and conditions of
employment that are already applicable to both Pilot groups. The MTA, which
became effective on December 9, 2013, consists of the 2012 pre-merger
American Pilot CBA, as amended by and pursuant to the provisions of a
Memorandum of Understanding Regarding Contingent Collective Bargaining
Agreement (“Pilot MOU”).
 
Absent agreement to, or ratification of, a Joint CBA  (“JCBA”) within a
specified limited time-frame, the Pilot MOU provides that the terms of the Pilot
JCBA will be imposed through “final and binding” interest arbitration. Because
of limits on the interest arbitrator’s jurisdiction contained in the Pilot MOU, the
material post-merger terms and conditions of employment for the legacy US
Airways and American Pilots have already been established. The Pilot MOU also
prescribes that the Pilot seniority-integration negotiation and arbitration
process, pursuant to the McCaskill-Bond statute and the Pilot MOU, shall
begin “as soon as possible” after the close of the merger and must conclude no
later than 24 months after the December 9, 2013 merger effective date,
including a final and binding arbitration if necessary.
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And when the NMB declares APA to be the union we have 30 days to finish negotiating a JCBA and if no contract, 60days for an arbitrator to provide one for us. Ain't gonna happen. If they don't use the NIC, a group will sue. If they do, a larger group will sue. If they come to an agreement tomorrow on seniority, a group will sue because it is now technically required to be arbitrated according to MB per the MOU. Don't get your hopes up. Ten years is not unrealistic.  
 
USA320Pilot said:
APA made its draft PA public not to inform AA's pilots, but to inform US Airways' pilots to build pressure on the BPR. APA knows that the BPR has kept the draft PA, UMTA, GA, and settlement offer private and our union has not been transparent with the rank-and-file. And, APA knows the BPR Hardliner's history, which is why I believe APA's new PA proposal gives USAPA an out or a way out of its box. The question is will USAPA seize this opportunity?...................................................
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In conversations with Claire and Kit, they said apa will not be deciding any more future consolidations of pilot groups. 
 
nevergiveup said:
Don't get your hopes up. Ten years is not unrealistic.  
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Conclusion: The Board finds that American and US Airways are operating as a single transportation system for representation purposes under the RLA.

 
Keep whistling past the graveyard, it suits you.
 
Claxon said:
In conversations with Claire and Kit, they said apa will not be deciding any more future consolidations of pilot groups.
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Claire McCaskil and Kit Bond may differ with your....

Opinion.
 
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