A different Teamster contract.

[gonzo]

Air Tran article

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Air Tran article

See.........it can be done!! Is this a precedent?? 😀

 

[gonzo]

See.........it can be done!! Is this a precedent?? 😀

In a perfect world, you could depend on it......... 🙂

 

[700UW]

And who overhauls their aircraft?

Nevermind, I found the answer, another outsourcing allowed by the IBT:

AirTran Airways Chooses Avborne Heavy Maintenance, Inc. to Provide Heavy Maintenance for New Boeing 717 Fleet
MIAMI, Nov. 21 /PRNewswire/ -- Avborne Heavy Maintenance, Inc., today announced that it has signed an agreement with AirTran Airways (AMEX:AAI) to provide the airline with heavy maintenance services for its new fleet of Boeing 717 aircraft. The airline industry's first-ever 717 "C" check will be performed this month at Avborne's facilities at Miami International Airport (MIA).

AirTran Airways is the launch customer for the Boeing 717, today's newest, most innovative commercial aircraft. AirTran Airways now operates 14 717s and is receiving one new 717 every month for the next 36 months.

Founded in Miami in 1985 as Professional Modification Services, Inc., Avborne is one of the top maintenance, repair and overhaul providers in the United States. This year the company moved to its new state-of-the-art facility at MIA. Avborne provides services to AirTran Airways, DHL, Emery, Pegasus and UPS, and is in the midst of an expansion that will add 100 mechanics to its work force of 650 employees in January 2001.

Avborne Heavy Maintenance, Inc., is this year's recipient of the Greater Miami Aviation Association's Aviation Company of the Year Award.

The Greater Miami Aviation Association recognized Avborne's contribution to the local economy. Henry Alvarez and Tom Chamberlain of Avborne were awarded the Wright Brothers Award for their lifetime achievements.

Systemwide, AirTran Airways operates 294 daily departures to 32 cities. Offering the convenience of easy, same concourse connections in Atlanta, AirTran Airways operates 135 daily departures from Hartsfield Atlanta International Airport, the world's busiest airport.

AirTran Airways provides everyday, affordable air travel throughout the eastern United States, and unlike other airlines, never requires a roundtrip purchase or Saturday night stay. AirTran Airways is a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, Inc. (AMEX:AAI).

For more information and reservations, visit AirTran Airways' Web site at www.airtran.com, call your travel agent or call AirTran Airways at 800/AIRTRAN (800/247-8726) or 770/994-8258 (in Atlanta).

 

[700UW]

The unions have lobbied the government for changes in FAR 145, with no avail.

H.R. 145 was introduced in Congress and the republican leadership refused to bring it to the floor.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Founded in Miami in 1985 as Professional Modification Services, Inc., Avborne is one of the top maintenance, repair and overhaul providers in the United States. This year the company moved to its new state-of-the-art facility at MIA. Avborne provides services to AirTran Airways, DHL, Emery, Pegasus and UPS, and is in the midst of an expansion that will add 100 mechanics to its work force of 650 employees in January 2001.

Wow........look at this. There are other airlines, passenger and freight, that outsource also.

It's NOT a perfect world........especially this aviation world we all live in. I don't believe, and please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - surely, someone will, but I don't believe that there is any company that operates any type of aircraft that doesn't outsource.

No matter which union prevails, one of the goals is to keep and bring more work in house. No doubt about that.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Someone had better figure out that like it or not outsourcing is here to stay in commercial aviation.

Strictly from my personal perspective, this whole outsourcing vs in-house argument between the IAM & IBT is comical. The company, after losing the Airbus heavy maintenance arbitration, neatly manuvered the IAM into accepting outsourced heavy maintenance - just on a slower transition schedule. By accepting the swap of allowing Airbus outsourcing in exchange for Boeing in-house, the die has been cast.

How many Boeings will be left on the property by the time the current IAM contract is amendable? Few if any. All heavy maintenance will be outsourced, it'll just be a slower transition under the IAM contract than allowed by the current IBT contract.

Jim

 

[gonzo]

And who overhauls their aircraft?

Mr. 7 you sound like a broken record. Do I need to point out the number of furloughed AMT's under the IAM vs IBT. Outsourcing is here to stay. Until it becomes less expensive to keep it in house. You know it is cheaper to outsource the heavy checks, for now.

I must agree with you Bob. That scenario or something similar is what will allow unions to survive and make a "win-win" situation for all concerned. 🙂

 

[700UW]

Well you dont need AMTs at the ibt carriers since they allow the amount of outsourcing, so they were never hired in the first place.

 

[calibrator]

The unions have lobbied the government for changes in FAR 145, with no avail.

H.R. 145 was introduced in Congress and the republican leadership refused to bring it to the floor.

That’s because: It's like a child, “unions†asking his daddy, “Corporate America†if he could have a lot more money so the child can file a law suite against him. Until unions become as powerful, “rich†as Corporate America the battle will not be won in that arena.

You have unions backing the very politicians who are causing them all their grief via PAC monies. People in office that glorify depravity is the union’s party of choice.

The unions are burying themselves and helping the politicians via PAC funds instead of finding other ways and means to stop the insanity.

The way things are going the entire planet will have to be organized in order to compete against other countries producing products that costs 90 percent less than what is produced and labeled, Made In USA.

The very name UNION has become a mortal enemy of Corporate America and like a terminal cancer Corporate America brings all its resources into full focus to eradicate unions and what they represent to them, making under 5000 percent profit margin.

Nothing in history has really changed, it’s the same old story. Everyone killing each other over a piece of the pie with the rules currently favoring Corporate America and unions afraid and or unwilling to break the rules they are dying by.

 

[gonzo]

Well you dont need AMTs at the ibt carriers since they allow the amount of outsourcing, so they were never hired in the first place.

Are you saying that it is better to "pad" the membership so that junior members get furloughed, instead of keeping the number of members down to the level that is already at a minimum crew. Is it better to furlough members or keep the jobs that the "minimal" crew has. Furloughs would continue until that "minimal" crew number is reached. It sounds like you are saying that you would prefer to furlough members rather than keeping the members....employed.

Remember the BK. I'm sure the "junior" members always will.🙂

 

[AIRWOMAN]

TPAA&P
I agree with Aerosmith. BOS and PHL have consistantly looked for new hire A&P mechanics. PHL recently hired 12 off the street and is planning to hire additional mechanics in early 06. Speak with Brad in TPA or contact PHL maintenance mgmt. direct.

The above was pulled from a different thread.........not understanding this at all. If there are furloughed A&P's from the old US Airways, why would they be hiring off the street. Or is this all a bunch of hooey. Guess the question really is........which bunch is hooey??

 

[MyOpinion]

How many Boeings will be left on the property by the time the current IAM contract is amendable? Few if any. All heavy maintenance will be outsourced, it'll just be a slower transition under the IAM contract than allowed by the current IBT contract.

Jim

I'm confused again. Does the IAM allow outsourcing or not?
700UW says no and Jim says yes. Which is it?

 

[BoeingBoy]

I'm confused again. Does the IAM allow outsourcing or not?
700UW says no and Jim says yes. Which is it?

700UW can correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the current IAM contract allowed outsourcing heavy maintenance on the Airbus fleet (which the successful grievance prevented) and kept heavy maintenance on the Boeing fleet in-house.

Jim

 

[BrutallyHonest]

700UW can correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the current IAM contract allowed outsourcing heavy maintenance on the Airbus fleet (which the successful grievance prevented) and kept heavy maintenance on the Boeing fleet in-house.

Jim

The iam contract is for half of the 737 fleet to be done inhouse and all of the airbus narrow body to be done in house. We are talking heavy checks. In the town hall meeting DP stated when AWA fleet falls under the iam contract that those planes contractually have to be done IN-HOUSE! Time will tell if the new regeim follows the contracts. :unsure: