AA JFK Termianl

[IORFA]

How is the terminal coming along? Anyone have any pics? Any sort of timeline till it is finished?

 

[Hopeful]

How is the terminal coming along? Anyone have any pics? Any sort of timeline till it is finished?

Concourse B is slated to open in May of 2007. The customs/FIS area to open in March of 07. After that, the old Concourse A (Gates 1-10) will be torn down and left as a hard stand area.
AA is waiting until they get more concessions from us in 2008 to rebuild concourse A.

Concourse B will only have 9 gates designed to accommodate the largest aircraft including the A380.

 

[jersey777]

The new terminal is nice in that it is big and new however it is already looking shabby. Anyone else notice all the wallpaper ripped in the tunnel? How about how dull the terrazzo floor looks already. I don't know if the blame lies with American or just the fact that everything in New York seems to fall apart more quickly then other parts of the country. I was dissappointed with the new terminal because besides the larger space, it is kinda blah. There doesn't seem to be anything innovative about it. At security they are using these brown delapidated tables that they must have gotten at a surplus store. The few decorated features seem to be advertising...even in the outer concourse. They just added some cool video moniters in the tunnel. The first time I saw them they said "Welcome to New York". the next trip they were advertising Windows Vista. I know the terminal is not finished so hopefully at some point they spruce it up a bit. The new terminal in Dallas blows the kennedy terminal away!

 

[Hopeful]

The new terminal is nice in that it is big and new however it is already looking shabby. Anyone else notice all the wallpaper ripped in the tunnel? How about how dull the terrazzo floor looks already. I don't know if the blame lies with American or just the fact that everything in New York seems to fall apart more quickly then other parts of the country. I was dissappointed with the new terminal because besides the larger space, it is kinda blah. There doesn't seem to be anything innovative about it. At security they are using these brown delapidated tables that they must have gotten at a surplus store. The few decorated features seem to be advertising...even in the outer concourse. They just added some cool video moniters in the tunnel. The first time I saw them they said "Welcome to New York". the next trip they were advertising Windows Vista. I know the terminal is not finished so hopefully at some point they spruce it up a bit. The new terminal in Dallas blows the kennedy terminal away!

AA actually wanted the project stopped when 9/11 happened. the Port Authority said "no way." So AA drastically scaled back on the original design.

Dallas is AA's baby, not Kennedy. Never has been, never will be!

 

[AC AA LA FA]

The terminal at JFK is a cheap and tacky, an embarrassment given our position and our competitors digs on either side of the Atlantic. Not to mention it is COVERED with ads....they are everywhere.....

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

AA actually wanted the project stopped when 9/11 happened. the Port Authority said "no way." So AA drastically scaled back on the original design.

Dallas is AA's baby, not Kennedy. Never has been, never will be!

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Yup, you've got that right Hopeful !!

But "JFK" is America's REAL airport !!

ALWAYS HAS BEEN...........AlWAYS WILL BE !!

(I know the folks in ATL/ORD or maybe even DFW Do NOT want to hear that)

NH/BB's

 

[Hopeful]

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Yup, you've got that right Hopeful !!

But "JFK" is America's REAL airport !!

ALWAYS HAS BEEN...........AlWAYS WILL BE !!

(I know the folks in ATL/ORD or maybe even DFW Do NOT want to hear that)

NH/BB's

Good point, NH/BB's!

Even though JFK has a fraction of the flights that DFW has, they are all premium money makers.
There the trans con, European, Caribbean, South American, and Miami markets. About a 1/4 of AA's revenue is derived from JFK alone.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

The terminal at JFK is a cheap and tacky, an embarrassment given our position and our competitors digs on either side of the Atlantic. Not to mention it is COVERED with ads....they are everywhere.....

It is still a huge step up from the terminal it replaces. As far as the ads go - they're everywhere, but that is the case at most airports (both sides of the atlantic).

 

[Hopeful]

It is still a huge step up from the terminal it replaces. As far as the ads go - they're everywhere, but that is the case at most airports (both sides of the atlantic).

Not to mention the HSBC ads that adorn every jet bridge in every airport in every major city.

 

[eolesen]

About a 1/4 of AA's revenue is derived from JFK alone.

I'm not so sure about that being more than a myth. NYC as a whole only accounts for around 6% of AA's daily departures, and yields on the transcons and Caribbean have sucked wind since Jetblue and p.s. started up.

When I worked my last budget, the terminal rent for JFK exceeded the terminal rent for terminal rent DFW -including- D. The sooner it is finished and can start being used to ground handle other carriers, the better.

Just for gits and shiggles, here's departures/day as a percentage for stations with more than 1% of mainline system departures. Everyone else is below that:

DFW	19.0
ORD	9.1
MIA	8.2 
LAX	4.0 
LGA	3.2 
JFK	2.3 
STL	2.3 
SJU	1.9 
BOS	1.9 
MCO	1.7 
DCA	1.5 
AUS	1.4 
SFO	1.4 
TPA	1.3 
DEN	1.3 
SAT	1.2 
PHL	1.1 
Source: SSIM tapes, 09Jan07 sked

 

[Hopeful]

I'm not so sure about that anymore. Yields on the transcon aren't what they used to be, and neither is the Caribbean.

When I worked my last budget, the terminal rent for JFK exceeded the terminal rent for terminal rent DFW -including- D. The sooner it is finished and can start being used to ground handle other carriers, the better.

Good point. Which is why they should build the east concourse after the old A is torn down. Bring all the ONEWORLD carriers in, except BA

 

[shaka]

I was there this morning, the terminal is going to be beautiful. They have some great stores and restaurants coming in by May. The only gate they are using on the "B" side is gate 12, which had a flight to Tokyo. Seemed very full.

Is that accurate that they will only have 9 gates on the b side. What flights will go from "B" and what flights will go from "C" when it is all complete?

Thanks

 

[WorldTraveler]

AA is spending over $1B on a terminal that will have far fewer gates than B6 will build for 25% less.

AA can't afford to add flights at JFK. Becoming a landlord is the only option - and even then the rents for other carriers will be much higher than in other terminals at JFK.

 

[upsilon]

not to mention the HSBC ads that adorn every jet bridge in every airport in every major city.

Not "every jet bridge in every airport in every major city" - unless maybe you meant "in the USA". I know HSBC is ubiquitous both here are overseas; but yours is a very broad statement.

It was DHL on every bridge in more than one major European airport I recently visited. I seem to recall one was Berlin TXL. It figures - since DHL is owned by Deutsch Post.

Ads are everywhere in airports. Vegas is wall-to-wall. I'm no lover of advertising; and I quickly flip the pages of magazines and newspapers. I switch channels on TV.

But there is no way I can avoid them when walking through the windowless "tunnels" to and from airport gates. In fact, they make the walk slightly less boring. Thus, these walls are an ad sellers paradise. And they produce big bucks for the airports and maybe even slightly reduce the pressure on airlines and its influence on ticket prices.

 

[Hopeful]

AA is spending over $1B on a terminal that will have far fewer gates than B6 will build for 25% less.

AA can't afford to add flights at JFK. Becoming a landlord is the only option - and even then the rents for other carriers will be much higher than in other terminals at JFK.

When you fly only one type of small jet, you can have more gates. Big deal!