AA overreached

[strikeforce]

The Court concludes that American’s proposed changes to furlough and codesharing have not been justified by either reference to the Business Plan or the practices of American’s competitors.

LBO2 has less vacation than any of AA competitors.
LBO2 has lower hourly rates than any of AAs competitors.
LBO2 has less sick time than any of AA's competitors.
LBO2 has less Holidays than any of AA's competitors.
LBO2 has the most oppressive workrules of any of AA's competitors.
LBO2 has the most expensive out of pocket medical compared to AA's competitors.
LBO2 provided ZERO job secirity while the pilots had 95% of their members covered.
There's more but I think I made my point.
We had a lot more to support outr arguement that the demands AA was making were excessive and not required because nobody else had them.

Unfortunately, the yes voting losers in Tulsa don't care that they are at the bottom, been at the bottom, and will stay at the bottom for years to come! To those amt's that are young enough to leave....get out while you can, brothers!!!

 

[will fix for food]

Did anyone notice what the judge said about the size of the planes the regional affiliates could fly? The 3/21 term sheet was very different than the T/A.

 

[FWAAA]

The other significant item, is the new 1113 motion will change all dates related to negotiations and what will now consititutes the abbrogation "term sheet".

I don't follow. How will it change all dates?

 

[eolesen]

Did anyone notice what the judge said about the size of the planes the regional affiliates could fly? The 3/21 term sheet was very different than the T/A.

As I read it, the Judge's comments pretty much agreed with the Company's arguments on not basing the limitations on weight.

 

[FWAAA]

Did anyone notice what the judge said about the size of the planes the regional affiliates could fly? The 3/21 term sheet was very different than the T/A.

No objection from Judge Lane to the Scope changes. Doesn't change anything about the number or size of permitted RJs. The only problem was the unlimited codesharing (which I suspect AA will abandon) and the changes to pilot furlough limits (which I also suspect AA will abandon).

 

[riceweevil]

Chest thumpers of the world, unite, but I suggest you read all the details.

Judge Lane agreed with about 95% of what AMR was asking for. He disagreed with APA on just about everything they countered with.

AMR is re-filing their ask on Friday, and I doubt the judge will delay action very long.

Summary of Judge Lane's ruling is attached.

I've started a new thread with the file attachment, since it's buried on page 5 here, and it's important that y'all read what the Judge has said....

Read VERY carefully before commenting....

Yeah, kind of like being 95% pregnant.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob, despite your protests to the contrary, the ruling confirms that asking all workgroups for the same percentage cost reductions (20%) was fair and consistent with bankruptcy law. On which of your list of items where you claim that you're in last place was AA proposing to make things even worse? Even before Ch 11, you were already last in many of those areas, right?

So where would you have cut maintenance costs by 20% if not the items that AA demanded and a slim majority approved last week? Would you have cut payrates?

Bankruptcy is about cutting costs. In the two areas where the Judge denied AA's demands of the pilots, there's no evidence of cost savings. And AA failed to supply evidence that its no-cost changes were necessary.

We demonstrated that many of the costs AA said it needed were achievable within the agreement as it is due to past concessions that the company did not fully utilze, they claimed that none of those counted because they could do that anyway and they had to get to the savings through NEW changes to the contract yet with non-union workers the company was acting on things that they could do anyway and they got full credit for the savings. So the fair and equitable standard was not met. Unfortunately we will not get to make this arguement since we were sold down the river by the International and their "experts".

One example is new aircraft, this will produce huge savings and massive headcount reductions in Maint but not affect other workgroups, in the end the amount of savings extracted from us will be far in excess of the 20% in new concessions. When we brought up the fact that they will be able to eliminate headcount by getting new aircraft we were told that since they can do that we get zero credit for that. Such savings were not obtainable from other workgroups, it takes the same amount of pilots to fly a new plane as an old plane, same amount of bagagge handlers, Flight Attendants, gate agents etc.

Another example was sick time. We showed the company, using their own data that abolishing the two half pay sick days and restoring the old system would save them $7 million a year, instead the charged us for restoring one.

 

[Super FLUF]

Regardless of how this ends up, I am getting reports the wheels are coming off the Horton bus. The UCC has just about had it with this (mis)management team and "changes" may be coming real quick.

Maybe Tom can ask Maverick if he still has the number to that truck driving school.

 

[Captain Reality]

I really don't see what the no voters are celebrating about. On Friday the judge is going to abrograte our contract!

 

[xUT]

I really don't see what the no voters are celebrating about. On Friday the judge is going to abrograte our contract!

http://www.airlineforums.com/user/21115-captain-reality/
Change your nom de plum to 'private give up' it suits you better.
JMHO&PO
B) xUT

 

[will fix for food]

As I read it, the Judge's comments pretty much agreed with the Company's arguments on not basing the limitations on weight.

The APA T/A that was voted down would have limited the regional affiliates to the ERJ 170 and CRJ 900 aircraft as the biggest they could fly. The 3/21 term sheet allowed for ERJ 190 and CRJ 1000 sized aircraft. Lane said it was appropriate for these to be placed at the affiliates. If American chooses to the 190's and 1000's could be removed from the A/A pilots pay bands and placed in the Eagle pilots pay bands.

 

[4A Mechanic]

Count me as one of them. I just wish we were ther with you, from the line and AFW I think I can say we are in Spirit and will support you guys. As far as I'm concerned we are having terms imposed on us, just not by the Judge.

 

[4A Mechanic]

Bob, I feel your pain. As a Tulsa 26er, I stand with the line guys and AFW. We must unite and stand as one to get rid of this worthless union once and for all, but we will need your help, as well as the other line presidents to make this happen. In true solidarity! Tule AMT.

 

[riceweevil]

I really don't see what the no voters are celebrating about. On Friday the judge is going to abrograte our contract!

Wrong again!

 

[4A Mechanic]

E, your wrong! Everything in the term sheet was draconian compared to all others. I believe the judge would have ruled in our favor, but thats just my opinion and I was willing to find out.