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E, your wrong! Everything in the term sheet was draconian compared to all others. I believe the judge would have ruled in our favor, but thats just my opinion and I was willing to find out.

Did you actually read the Judge's ruling?

On just about everything related to productivity, outsourcing, and scope, he sided with the Company, especially where they were asking for parity with what UA, DL, and US had achieved in court. He fully agreed on the 20% target as being fair and equitable.

Something else some of you are missing here --- you don't write a 100 page ruling in just a couple of days. This was likely ready to go a week ago.

I'm also willing to bet that the bulk of the APFA and TWU decisions are/were drafted and contain much of the same language used in today's ruling.

My opinion: anyone who reads today's ruling and still thinks they would have had a favorable ruling is in serious denial.
 
I have now read through the 106 page decision and it is obviously more of a reprieve than anything else. The judge went out of his way to say that the concessions which were common to all unions in pay, pension and benefits were reasonable. He also supported some major hits to the pilot scope clause, which was probably the most important part of the proposal. He also went out of his way to invite AA to refile with less onerous terms on codesharing and furloughs. And what he said about those terms was that AA was entitled to relief, just not all the relief it demanded. What is, of course, being missed is that he was evaluating the term sheet, not the LBFO which was recommended by the pilot leadership. That proposal was much less drastic on both codesharing and furloughs. All the Company has to do is line up its term sheet with its LBFO. The judge gave them the road map.

If you look at the judge’s opinion it is very clear that he would have allowed the maintenance outsourcing proposed in the term sheet which, in fact, was less onerous than what normally happens in bankruptcy. As for the idea that the pilots standing in the industry is somehow superior to other employees, you better talk to one of them. With the new UAL agreement, AA pilots will be at least 20 percent in pay behind all major carriers except USAirways, and those pilots are, of course, still operating under a bankruptcy contract. In any case, the judge took no issue with the pay, benefits, and pension in the proposal even though it left the pilots near the industry bottom. He took issue with two items, and the basis of his concern is that they went beyond the Company’s stated needs.

The Two Issues raised by Judge for refusing the abrogation of the APA Contract

CONCLUSION

The Court concludes that American’s proposed changes to furlough and codesharing have not been justified by either reference to the Business Plan or the practices of American’s competitors. Given the significance of these two provisions collectively to American’s proposal, the Court finds that American has not shown that the proposal is necessary as required by Section 1113. For the reasons set forth above, therefore, American’s Motion to reject the collective bargaining agreements of the APA is denied. This denial is without prejudice to remedying the two defects identified in this Opinion and submitting a new application under Section 1113. Debtors’ counsel shall settle an order on three days’ notice.


Code sharing

The Court concludes that a significant increase in codesharing would greatly benefit American. It is equally clear that the current collective bargaining agreement is far more restrictive on codesharing than recent industry norms for a carrier with a smaller network. Given American’s need to compete with its now-smaller network, American has established a need for significant change to its codesharing abilities. American has not shown by a preponderance of the evidence, however, that essentially unlimited codesharing is necessary to achieve a successful reorganization. American has reasonably explained why it is inappropriate to measure its need for codesharing by comparing itself to current larger network competitors. But American’s unlimited request for codesharing is greater even than the comparative group that American urges is an appropriate benchmark: the group of network airlines, before mergers, that used extensive codesharing in the past to compete with American’s larger network. American’s codesharing request also is in excess of the Company’s stated goals and contemplated arrangements expressed in the Business Plan, which American has presented as defining what is necessary to achieve a successful reorganization.

The current and projected financial condition of the debtor’s business will provide the primary evidence as to whether the trustee's proposed modifications are “necessary ‘ for reorganization, but the facts and circumstances of each case may also influence the outcome. Probative evidence necessarily will involve projections about the future business prospects and financial performance of the debtor's business. Where the trustee’s business plan dictates the size of labor cost reductions required, “its assumptions and methodology are key”” and are frequently challenged.

Collier ¶ 1113.05[3][c]; see Mesaba, 341 B.R. at 731. The Company claims that it must maintain flexibility to respond to new opportunities that might arise over the next six years. But while the Court understands the need for some flexibility in the future, that flexibility cannot be unlimited or it would render the necessity requirement a nullity. It is the Company that presented and relied upon its Business Plan as the cornerstone of necessity, and it must accept both the benefits and drawbacks of that decision.51

See In re Express Freight Lines, Inc., 119 B.R. 1006, 1013––1018 (Bankr. E.D. Wis. 1990) (denying debtors’’ Section 1113 application on necessity grounds because the Court concluded that other companies operated under contract terms similar to those the debtor sought to modify); In re Cook United, Inc., 50 B.R. 561, 563 (Bankr. N.D. Ohio 1985) (denying debtors’’ Section 1113 motion on the basis that the present operating plan still projected positive cash flow without the rejection of the collective bargaining agreement and therefore, modifications were deemed unnecessary); see also Carey Transp., 50 B.R. at 209 (“There can be no pat formula. Any analysis must be undertaken on a case by case basis with due consideration given to the nature of the business and industry patterns.”&rdquo😉, aff’d, Truck Drivers Local 807 v. Carey Transp., Inc., 816 F.2d 82 (1987) (emphasis in original).

Furlough

As of February 1, 2012 there were 10,738 pilots on American’s seniority list. (Newgren Decl. ¶ 4). Of those, 7,664 were active pilots that were flying for the Company. (Newgren Decl. ¶ 4). The remainder were on inactive status, including leave or furlough. (Newgren Decl. ¶ 4).

American argues that as part of its reorganization, it will initially need to furlough employees. (Newgren Decl. ¶ 155). The current pilot collective bargaining agreement contains two restrictions relating to furlough that American proposes to eliminate, arguing that they limit flexibility and increase cost. First, the agreement permits a pilot to voluntarily take a furlough designated for a more junior pilot who otherwise would have been furloughed based on seniority. (Newgren Decl. ¶ 156). American notes that if the pilot volunteering to take the furlough was already on leave or preparing to retire, American would not obtain the economic value of the furlough, because it must pay to furlough someone who was already inactive or planned to leave and is still required to furlough the junior pilot. (Newgren Decl. ¶ 156). Second, the agreement effectively prevents American from furloughing pilots above a certain place on the seniority list. (Newgren Decl. ¶ 156). The Company argues that this would prevent it from responding to unforeseen catastrophic events. (Newgren Decl. ¶ 155).

But the Court disagrees with American’s view on the furlough provision. The APA complains that American seeks to eliminate all contractual restrictions against furlough. See APA Proposed Findings ¶ 14. The APA correctly notes that while the Business Plan only contemplates the furlough of 400 pilots, American has proposed to eliminate all the restrictions on its ability to furlough. The APA also accurately observes that the existing furlough protection clause allows the Company to furlough up to 2,000 pilots, five times what the Company’s Business Plan requires. (Roghair Decl. ¶ 85). While American claims to seek more broad furlough authority to address unforeseen emergencies, there appears to be no need to do so as the existing agreement includes a force majeure exception which was used by the Company to furlough 2,900 pilots following September 11th. The evidence proffered by American is unclear even as to the amount of savings gained by American’s proposal on furlough, with the evidence suggesting that the savings may be as little as $300,000 a year. (See APA Ex. 412; Roghair Decl. ¶ 85). Thus, American has failed to justify its request for unrestricted furlough by reference to the savings identified in its Business Plan. Finally, American has not justified its request for proposed changes in furlough by identifying comparable provisions in the airline industry.

Without being able to justify this change by reference to the industry or its Business Plan, the Court concludes that the furlough proposal is inconsistent with the necessity requirement of Section 1113. See In re Fiber Glass Indus., 49 B.R. 202, 206––208 (Bankr. N.D.N.Y. 1985) (denying debtors’’ Section 1113 application on a “necessity” basis because debtors failed to proffer sufficient evidence to support a finding that the proposal was necessary for reorganization); In re Sun Glo Co., Inc.. 144 B.R. 58, 62 (Bankr. E.D. Ky. 1992) (denying debtors’ motion to reject a collective bargaining agreement under Section 1113 on grounds that debtors failed to “demonstrate[] that [the proposed] measures are “necessary’’ to its reorganization” and have not shown “how these particular changes will increase the likelihood of successful reorganizing.
 
Give it up guys. The M&R has spoken it passed.
So what is the next step AMFA, IBT, no union.
Will the line presidents give up their cushy twu spots and have an all out assault on the twu or will they keep bitching about the twu and keep hiding within. Bob, Chuck, and all the other no video presidents need to put their money where their mouth is. I and half of tulsa wait.
 
Little tweak on codesharing and a little tweak on furlough...and VOILA! ABROGATION!!!
The judge made it clear that all is needed is altering the two provisions.
 
Little tweak on codesharing and a little tweak on furlough...and VOILA! ABROGATION!!!
The judge made it clear that all is needed is altering the two provisions.
In this day and age of code-sharing....it's a big deal! AA wanted unlimited code-sharing, and the judge said "it's not going to happen"! That's a big win for the pilots.....and for that fact, all work groups. Tweaking means changing the business plan, and probably something the creditors committee will have issue with. It's a definite setback for Horton & Co., ......and that means the status quo remains for the pilots. Don't think for a minute that code-sharing isn't huge.....it's huge with AA and the one-world partners, and a major source of revenue when you're not doing the flying!
 
AA wanted unlimited codesharing so that they could take labor out of the decision process....

The LBO had language which capped domestic codesharing at 50% of currently scheduled domestic ASMs (not sure if that included the HA and AS codesharing or not). Since the company was willing to live with that language, it's safe to say it probably didn't impact the business plan nearly as much as you're hinting at.
 
In this day and age of code-sharing....it's a big deal! AA wanted unlimited code-sharing, and the judge said "it's not going to happen"! That's a big win for the pilots.....and for that fact, all work groups. Tweaking means changing the business plan, and probably something the creditors committee will have issue with. It's a definite setback for Horton & Co., ......and that means the status quo remains for the pilots. Don't think for a minute that code-sharing isn't huge.....it's huge with AA and the one-world partners, and a major source of revenue when you're not doing the flying!

I agree...And what I also said in another post was..Even though it might be a short lived victory, it will be a victory nonetheless because only two provisions concerned the judge so much he abrogated based on the two.

But don't forget that he also made it clear in the VERY LAST paragraph of his 111 page decision is that AA only needs to modify those two provisions and submit.
 
The Judge told AA he would impose the term sheets as long as AA modifies the two areas mentioned above: furlough and unlimited domestic codesharing. Here's AA's response:

Yea, it is obvious....And most likely will change the denial to approval of the abrogation request.
But when you think about, the fact that he denied the request on TWO provisions concerned him so much that he denied abrogation. That in itself says something.
 
Sure, but those were not the only things the pilots had that was industry leading, they are not at the bottom as far as Pay, Holidays, Vacation, sick time etc etc. What AA was demanding from M&R, and got, was unprecidented. We had a much better case than the pilots against abrogation because the only things that we had, the Pension and retiree medical, we were willing to bargain, but the International and their "Experts" said that abrogation was all but guaranteed. The company was not demanding that the pilots settle for bottom of the industry in nearly every category like they were with us.
 
“There is little doubt that the end result, should we reject, will be 2,000 furloughed flight attendants and many many more on reserve…” APFA Hotline 15 Aug 12

While AA recalls FAs from their leaves?

[American says will alter, resubmit motion: Judge cites unfettered ability to furlough pilots, codeshare by Nick Brown and Karen Jacobs] “NEW YORK, Aug 15 (Reuters) - A U.S. judge on Wednesday denied a request by American Airlines parent AMR Corp to abandon collective bargaining agreements with its pilots' union, an unexpected decision and setback for bankrupt AMR in its quest to save more than $1 billion a year in labor costs.

In a written ruling in U.S. bankruptcy court in Manhattan, Judge Sean Lane, who is overseeing AMR's restructuring, turned down American's motion in part because it would give the carrier unrestricted ability to furlough pilots and engage in code-sharing.

AMR said it would alter its motion and resubmit the request to terminate its agreements with the Allied Pilots Association by Friday.

"We will ask Judge Lane to consider our request expeditiously," American said in its statement.

AMR declared bankruptcy in November, and says it needs $1.06 billion in annual labor savings - including $842 million from its unions - to become profitable.

The company is trying to reconstruct its labor cost structure and emerge from bankruptcy, but is facing an aggressive push from competitor US Airways Group Inc to acquire the company while still in Chapter 11. While Wednesday's ruling does not directly impact merger efforts, it underscores the instability in AMR's labor situation. That could boost creditor support for a merger with US Airways, which has already reached tentative labor deals with AMR's main unions.

Wednesday's ruling comes a week after the pilots' union rejected the company's latest contract offer. While the offer would have cut $315 million from the pilots, it also would have given them a 13.5 percent equity stake in the company, matching 401(k) contributions and raises.

Regardless of how Lane had ruled, AMR would have had to keep negotiating for a consensual deal with pilots. Had Lane granted the motion, AMR would have had been able to implement a unilateral term sheet with more dramatic cuts that would have governed in the interim. Instead, the union's current collective bargaining deal will remain in place…” http://www.airlinedaily.com/feeds.html#http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHUkZnmLbHDJh_U7u2AQqMwpVYcPw&url=http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/15/amr-labor-idINL2E8JFHWN20120815
 

Don't forget his quote...


"WE MUST, INDEED, ALL HANG TOGETHER, OR, ASSUREDLY WE SHALL ALL HANG SEPARATELY."----------Benjamin Franklin.

The Tulsa YES voters chose the latter of this quote.
 
AA wanted unlimited codesharing so that they could take labor out of the decision process...
They'd like a OneWorld Airline (Re 13:17).
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So, as a company in bankruptcy, all you have to do is include one outlandish ask in your T/A that you know will cause it to be voted down. When it is voted down because of that outlandish ask, you then must change it to something acceptable to the judge and possibly the workers but the workers don't get another chance to vote on THAT T/A. A more severe contract is imposed instead as punishment for not accepting a contract that even the judge ruled unacceptable.

The company has absolutely no incentive to present an acceptable contract in the first place.
What a great system. Like most of the legal system, this all about getting lawyers paid and nothing else.
Except of course the horton gang.
 
Owens - Schalk - Peterson, and all remaining AMFA clones:


All of you are missing the point. The judge was evaluating the term sheet, not the Company’s LBFO to the pilots. All the Company has to do to achieve abrogation is to change its term sheet to match up with its LBFO on these two items. On everything else the term sheet is far worse than the LBFO, and they will be allowed to impose the term sheet. So tell me what have they gained except, possibly, a few weeks? The judge approved of the Company’s business plan and rejected every one of the pilot’s valuation claims. He acknowledged that they will now be near the bottom of the industry, a result which he said is typical in a bankruptcy and gave him no problem. He has allowed huge concessions in scope. This is why the APFA has correctly stated that the judge ruled against the pilots on every significant item.

You keep saying that the judge would have found problems with the tentative agreement and told the Company to improve it. The judge wasn’t looking at the tentative agreement, he was evaluating the term sheet. If he found problems with the term sheet provided to the TWU (which is speculation because he only took issue with pilot specific matters) this decision makes clear he would have temporarily denied the motion and allowed AA to correct the term sheet. Once this happens we would have been exposed to the balance of the term sheet which calls for more lay offs, less pay, less, pension, and more outsourcing. So tell me how more jobs would have been saved if we rejected the LBF.
 

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