AA reaches tentative agreement with TWU fleet service

[DFWFSC]

Word has it Jim Little has rejected the TA on behalf of Fleet Service.

 

[AANOTOK]

Word has it Jim Little has rejected the TA on behalf of Fleet Service.

Fleet has pulled their T/A off the table it appears.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/06/twu-withdraws-its-tentative-ag.html

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

'Bout time the International found some intestinal fortitude.

Maybe someone realized throwing a large percentage of the membership under the bus wasn't acceptable after all...

 

[AANOTOK]

Hey DFWFSC, is Darin or his boys giving any info on why the change of heart. Maybe the outrage from the masses?
I found it ridiculous that the NMB could pressure us like that and the TWU would use that as an excuse.

Updated 1:00pm....confirmed through Local 513 President that the T/A for fleet has been canceled. 😀

 

[OgieJFK]

'Bout time the International found some intestinal fortitude.

Maybe someone realized throwing a large percentage of the membership under the bus wasn't acceptable after all...

Yup.

 

[AANOTOK]

Here is AA's most recent comment about the situation......

UPDATE: Here is the brief statement just received from American spokeswoman Missy Latham

"We have a tentative agreement and are proceeding with the development of contract language for a ratification vote."

More to come shortly from the TWU......

 

[toroshark]

Wouldnt it be nice to reject the M&R T/A as well? How about rejecting it based on the fact that it is discriminative and anti-labor just to name a couple.

 

[AANOTOK]

TWU statement: "If we can't recommend it, we're not sending it.

http://startelegram.typepad.com/sky_talk/2010/06/twu-statement-if-we-cant-recommend-it-were-not-sending-it.html

"The parties held talks this week to correct the items under discussion. TWU had not intended to publicly release word of the suspension, however some members of the media learned of the change in status of the fleet contract prompting the public announcement."

Shhh......

 

[TWU informer]

Big Boss James C. Little - He has the power in this union er-uh corrupt company lapdog organization

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Maybe we should replace the M&R with the title 2 negotiators. looks like they know a bad deal when they see one
:unsure:

 

[TWU informer]

Does this mean that if the M&R Presidents Council took a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in our T/A that James C. Little would "suspend" this agreement also? Or does this mean that our Presidents do indeed recommend ratification of the agreement being debated and still negotiated?

Either way this shows the real problem within the TWU. James C. Little has gone from a "without further ratification" labor agreement in 2003 to a new "suspended" T/A in 2010. Regardless of your opinion regarding either agreement, this has to show everyone a clear "top down" dictatorship that disregards the membership, the local leadership, and everyone esle involved.

 

[DFWFSC]

Hey DFWFSC, is Darin or his boys giving any info on why the change of heart. Maybe the outrage from the masses?
I found it ridiculous that the NMB could pressure us like that and the TWU would use that as an excuse.

Updated 1:00pm....confirmed through Local 513 President that the T/A for fleet has been canceled. 😀

Im not at DFW anymore. I know Darin was quoted as saying that he would fight till the end to keep the dayline cleaning jobs.

 

[Bob Owens]

Does this mean that if the M&R Presidents Council took a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in our T/A that James C. Little would "suspend" this agreement also? Or does this mean that our Presidents do indeed recommend ratification of the agreement being debated and still negotiated?

Either way this shows the real problem within the TWU. James C. Little has gone from a "without further ratification" labor agreement in 2003 to a new "suspended" T/A in 2010. Regardless of your opinion regarding either agreement, this has to show everyone a clear "top down" dictatorship that disregards the membership, the local leadership, and everyone esle involved.

Well in this case I think he did the right thing. This is a bad deal, as bad as ours. From what I heard he didnt override the committee, they changed their minds. They voted to bring it back but then they decided to tell their members to vote NO. What the h*ll is that? Stay at the table and do your job! The only time a committee should do that is on the 11th hour of the 30th day when the company says "This is our final Best offer". But they/we were nowhere near there.They/we werent even on the first day of the 30 day cooling off period!

I hope he does the same with ours. Our committee promised "Restore and More", nobody objected and said that they wanted to give the company everything the company wanted. They promised they would not bring back a concessionary contract, this contract is nothing but concessionary.


Some of us argued against bringing ours back, we saw the comapny offer as the first real reponse as far as bargaining and figured this was the start of negotiations (we ended early, there were no "marathon negotiations", it was 9 to 5, sure we worked through the the weekend but so do a lot of TWU members) but others were intent on bringing it back exactly how the company offered it, warts and all, no counter offers, including your President.

Even if the company said "This is our last best offer" it isnt, everyone knows they wont offer that till the 11th hour of the 30th day.

The fact is the company and the media have been dumping bad news out there for years, in the meantime the owners of AA have been giving our executives bonuses, we need to hire somebody like the APFA did or someone from the EPI to look over the figures and put our spin on them to counter what the company and the corporate media have been doing.

To dump this out there for a vote without an informational campaign would be irresponsible. Its been done in the past , many, many times Those who have been here a while know the routine, Send out a bad deal along with a fear campaign, then after the fact when the members realize it was a bad deal they are told 'Dont blame us, you voted it in". How can a five-year deal like this possibly be in our interests?

 

[TWU informer]

Just because in this instance it is "the right thing to do" in the opinion of some.

There is no excuse for Dictatorship in the "Union"

What would be so bad about bringing it back, giving advice of a NO Vote, let the membership decide. That takes away the company and NMB excuse at the table that the members have not had their say.

Taking the position that the membership is stupid and some Union Leader has to save the membership from themselves is typical TWU Leader thinking and exactly what leads to a weak and pitiful union. Engage your membership in the process and lead.

If the membership votes to accept even after leadership advice of a no vote...so what...the union has spoken at that point.

 

[ReadyNow]

Well in this case I think he did the right thing. This is a bad deal, as bad as ours. From what I heard he didnt override the committee, they changed their minds.

Sounds like the company could make case the the TWU is bargaining in bad faith....Agree to a deal and then change your minds???

The company should ask for release and lock out fleet service and then arrange for outsourcing everyone in fleet service ......