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You have leadership? Why do you have it and I don't? Does WalMart have any? Which department?

What's it like to have leadership? I'm jealous!! Are you willing to share?


I haven't seen any of that stuff since November 1971 - my EOS with the Navy.
Good one Goose....My Bad 😀

I'll have to make the same request to my future AMP "leadership." Somehow I think they will act on it and hire someone to crunch these numbers. Like I said I don't mind, and I don't think any AMT minds making less than SWA and keep overhaul intact, but there is no way that we need to subsidize our own jobs to the tune of over $10 an hour to keep them. How much of that subsidy is towards the ever growing over abundance of management?
 
Good one Goose....My Bad 😀

I'll have to make the same request to my future AMP "leadership." Somehow I think they will act on it and hire someone to crunch these numbers. Like I said I don't mind, and I don't think any AMT minds making less than SWA and keep overhaul intact, but there is no way that we need to subsidize our own jobs to the tune of over $10 an hour to keep them. How much of that subsidy is towards the ever growing over abundance of management?
Your bad?? Bull!!

I was simply following my overpowering urge to be the best smart-ass I can be at your expense. I try to do that on a regular basis to ensure I don't lose my magic touch.

To make a request of leadership, however, one must have some to begin with and I couldn't resist pointing out in a wry way that "You ain't got none neither, brudder!!"
 
Working in overhaul to, and sick of hearing this argument, I've asked my leadership to provide us with a cost comparison between us and SWA. I want to know what the cost difference is for AA doing their overhaul versus SWA only doing 65% of theirs (obviously it would need to be adjusted for the different fleet types). So if it means that in dollars per an hour that SWA has a $2 an hour advantage over AA, then fine I can live with $2 an hour less, but not $12. Looking at the rest of the contract, outside of the always hanging over our head defined pension plan, they have better rules.

Exactly, if the numbers were in the companys favor they would have given them to us, but we have'nt recieved them. Sometimes we will hear certain pro-company types quote what MROs pay their mechanics but finding out what AA would pay that MRO for the labor is a different story, the fact is its probably very variable. We charge something like $95/hr and we turn away work all the time on the line.

I asked Arpey at the shareholders meeting last year about in house maintenance and the cost, he said " The jury is still out on that".

Pension? 8% match on all their earnings? If I had the choice to do it all over again I'd take the SWA Pay with the match, figure you could be putting around $28000(including the $8000 company match) a year away and still have more spending money, more Holidays and Holiday pay, more Sick Time, more IOD Time, more Vacation etc. The last value statement(for some reason they no longer update it) indicated around $1100 went into my Pension from the company in 2008. They are saving a ton of money with that DB plan compared to SWA.

I agree, if OH puts us at a disadvantage, which I dont think it does when everything is factored in, then I could say, OK we cant match SWA, but no way should there be a $10/hr difference.

If SWA can pay industry leading and make a profit while selling seats for $69 then AA should have no problem doing the same when they sell seats for as much as 10 times that figure.

When AA says they want to be Competitive they dont mean that they want a level playing field, they want every advantage that can be had.
 
Of course AA wants every competitive advantage it can get. Most of its peers were able to slash costs and obligations during bankruptcy, so now AA finds itself near the top of the cost pyramid in the industry. What would you do, look for ways to add on yet more cost? With AA still losing money and most of the other airlines now back in profitability, it's nearing do-or-die time for AA.
 
Of course AA wants every competitive advantage it can get. Most of its peers were able to slash costs and obligations during bankruptcy, so now AA finds itself near the top of the cost pyramid in the industry. What would you do, look for ways to add on yet more cost? With AA still losing money and most of the other airlines now back in profitability, it's nearing do-or-die time for AA.
Do or die? Funny but the company announced some time ago that they have switched from "Survival Mode to sucess mode".

As far as labor costs AA got all the savings from labor that they would have gotten in Bankruptcy without going Bankrupt. In fact their hourly rates for maintenance are pretty much the lowest in the industry. They claim their offer would bring us to number two but that number two only stands when you dont factor in OT rules, Holidays, Vacation, Sick time and if you are a line mechanic who starts work after 8pm and before 4:30 am. Our base guys will be at number five and most of the other guys are in negotiations or will have their contracts become amendable before ours would.

AA didnt turn a profit, so what? It clearly indicated that there were a lot of one time special write downs that drove the loss.
 
Ok, guys. Enough is enough. :lol: We now have 6 active threads about the TWU TA and/or the AMP card drive. Some of you are posting the same reply on every thread. Please do not start anymore threads on either subject. Trust that the thought you just had or the newspaper/Internet article you just found about either subject is probably not unique enough to require a separate thread. Just add it to one of the threads as a new comment.

One other thing that one of you forgot...Public comment about moderator actions is an automatic 14-day suspension. If you are not familiar with the AirlineForums.com rules, they are posted at the top of the American Airline forum. Please read them.
 

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