Abortion: Which Side Is Fabricating?

[Garfield1966]

Or is just your reality is just yours alone? Like i said, throwing towel in submission and say "oh well, why bother" doesn't cut it. :down:

I offered a viable solution via birth control. You are the one throwing the towel in by just denying paying for abortion for the poor.

All you who rationalize abortion should remember this next time some abortionists is killed.

Genesis 9:6
Whoever sheds the blood of man,

by man shall his blood be shed;

for in the image of God

has God made man.

Call it Karma, what comes around goes around...You can't justify it.
:down: :down:

A right wing nut job using the bible to justify murder. Nice. Why am I not surprised.

for the most part people grow up to be your neighbor..outside watering their lawn, while watching their children playing with the dog, waving at you while driving by their house in your car!


These other ideas it may be cheaper to abort the baby because the child might end up in jail is :wacko: !

While likely, if you read my post you would have found that was not my main premise. The main premise was that we the tax payer will have to pay for raising the kid through high school if he/she is not adopted. One other thing you might want to consider is legislation to reduce the cost burden of adoption. IIRC, the price tag to adopt can run near or over $10k

I really do not want to consider an abortion..the ending of a human life labeled "elective surgery" !!O.M.G

however, that is really what it is!

I don't like the idea either but it is what it is. I think the best avenue is to reduce the need for it with birth control and education. The fewer women who get pregnant (with out the intent of getting pregnant) the fewer times abortion will be considered. How about some other options such as prenatal care, day care, and things such as that.

for the most part there is really not a health issue.. with the mother or the baby.. its just the fact someone doesn't want to assume any responsibility for their actions and then on top of that, would like to send you, the taxpayer, the bill.

Agreed but I would go one further. I do not believe this has as much to do with money as it does to do with the moral objection against abortion. I have no problem with that. I have a problem with people saying we should not pay for abortion and then stopping right there. If someone says they want to make abortion 'illegal' or not pay for it fine ... but what are you going to do to eliminate or at least reduce the cause? If the answer is a blank stare or nothing, then I have no use for someone like that. That is like not wanting to pay for jails but having no alternative to deal with criminals. Any option to reduce abortions is going to cost money and more than likely any viable option is going to cost quite a bit more than abortions so money is really not the issue.

that is ridiculous.

it is ridiculous that anyone would support the idea..thinking its OK for someone else to pay for their medical expenses and their abortion and they have to do nothing other than going to the Doctor and making an appointment to take care of the "problem" the "inconvenience"..the,

"elective surgery"..

an abortion is not a medical issue.. when the life of the mother is not in jeopardy because of health issues with the pregnancy.

if this is what Health Care is supposed to provide...the elective "abortions" and expect the taxpayer to fund that..they need to go back to the drawing board or shelf that idea completely..


because that sucks.

So what do you want to do about it? Abortion is a reality. I do not believe that clock will every be rewound. What is the conservative party willing to do to reduce the need for abortion? Just saying that the tax payer will not pay is silly.

Seems to me that the argument being made is a two faced one. On the one hand people (like the OP) complain that the tax payer is on the hook for the tab and that just should not be. Money is being used as the argument with out mentioning their moral objection. If that were the case then paying for the abortion is cheaper than paying to raise the kid. It's obvious that money is not the issue.

Then people such as your self (not meant as a slam) argue that abortion is wrong morally but make no mention of the financial impact. IMO, it cost more not to have an abortion than it does to have one. Prenatal care and the hospital visit to have the kid is more costly than the abortion so unless you have a way to force the mother to pay for a more expensive birth it ain't going to work. The moral argument is fine, but you better figure out a way to pay for keeping the child.

Medical care is not free you know ... kind of ironic isn't it?

I think if you are going to argue that something is wrong morally, you have to have an way to change it? Is the conservative party willing to allow sex ed, birth control and family planning for children? I have not heard anyone from your side of the aisle agree to such a proposal. Do you have an alternate idea to stop teen/unwanted pregnancy? I mean aside from not having sex which obviously does not work.

 

[Dignity]

I am not going to support the funding of terminating an unborn baby's life.

I am not going to support being forced to pay for abortions disguised in a Health Care bill.

I am not going to support any politician who puts their stamp of approval on it.

 

[Garfield1966]

Great. You have clearly stated what you are not going to do.

So what are you going to do?

 

[Dignity]

pray they dont want to include euthanasia of the elderly or those 'who some think' may be too expensive to be covered in that Health Care bill, (while forcing the rest of us to pay for abortions) at the same time covering illegals and that parents actually assume the role of being a parent instilling respect for all life and that some of you come to your senses.

 

[Garfield1966]

No, I meant what are your ideas to reduce the need/frequency of abortion in the first place.

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

Pay now, pay later. Take your pick.

Ahh, the cowardly Kennedy moralist position!

Reagan said it best when he observed that 'all the pro-choice people have already been born...'

Choose life. We'll pay for it.

 

[Dignity]

Q. How to reduce unwanted pregnancy?

A. Send the bill to the father.

 

[Garfield1966]

Ahh, the cowardly Kennedy moralist position!

Reagan said it best when he observed that 'all the pro-choice people have already been born...'

Choose life. We'll pay for it.

If mine is the moralist Kennedy position (what ever that is), is yours the self righteous, stick your head in the sand, do as I say not as I do Palin position?

So how much are you wiling to increase my taxes to pay for it? When will we see this legislation offered in Congress by a republican to take care of all these infants at tax payer expense?

 

[Garfield1966]

Q. How to reduce unwanted pregnancy?

A. Send the bill to the father.

Interesting idea but what makes you think that a woman who cannot afford an abortion will be dating/sleeping with a guy who can afford one much less the cost to raise a child. Do you have a plan B?

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

I'd increase your taxes a thousand percent because life is precious.

 

[Garfield1966]

I'd increase your taxes a thousand percent because life is precious.

So since the RNC/DNC is not going to do that do you have a plan B or are we back in some utopian world with no basis in reality? If that's the case, I want a MB CLK 63 black series and Maltese Falcon yacht.

 

[Dignity]

Plan B

Q. How to reduce unwanted pregnancy?

A. Send the bill to the mother.

 

[Dignity]

Plan C

The parent will assume responsibility for their actions.

 

[nq6v]

This is usually NOT covered in any discussion on abortion I have ever read. I heard it on NPR over a year ago, and have never forgotten it.
When England legalized abortion they had nominal immairation into the country. After decades and decades of White British women aborting their children the number of immigrints taking up the slack has increased in proportion to the number of citizens that were not born. The entire makeup of their socioity has changed. The woman , a sociologist being interviewed stated it as a problem. I just say it was a naturally occuring occurance, the influx of immigrants being allowed to fill the gaps the British legalization of abortion caused. I really do not see how this occurance in the natural order of things was not perdicted, so the identification of it being a "problem" is just an opinion of one person either ignoring the existance of that perknowledge to make her opinion appear to bear more weight and to appeal to a certian readership for the book she was plugging, or, unlikly, there was no study as to how British socioity would be effected decades in the future of the passing of the law.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[Dignity]

Plan D

The Taxpayer will not be responsible for

Plans A, B or C.