Abortion: Which Side Is Fabricating?

[Garfield1966]

Plan D

The Taxpayer will not be responsible for

Plans A, B or C.

Are you saying you have no ideas other than not to pay? No ideas about what to do with all the infants that would flood the system? No ideas on how to deal with the cost? No ida on how o pay for prenatal care and birth?

The problem I see with your 'idea' is that the tax payer will be in the hook for the cost of the child. So is it a cost or moral issue? If its cost are you willing to penalize the infant for the mistakes of it's parents? If it's moral how are you going to stop the pregnancy in the first place?

Like I said either pay a little now or more later.

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

So since the RNC/DNC is not going to do that do you have a plan B or are we back in some utopian world with no basis in reality? If that's the case, I want a MB CLK 63 black series and Maltese Falcon yacht.

So you'll give the RNC/DNC (when did they elected by popular vote anyway??) a free pass on reality? Did I miss a constitutional amendment here or do the voters still decide?

Life is reality and you want to kill it because it is convenient and less expensive for you.

That is cowardly.

No-cost healthcare is already here and that ain't utopia.

Pay up.

 

[Dignity]

I will not support the funding of that procedure disguised or present in a Health Care Bill.

(under any circumstance)

and will vote against any current politician who supports that idea during election times.

that includes those who are seeking office and supports that procedure as an means of convenience or another version of birth control after the fact.

its wrong.

they are just going through the motions to get that Health Care bill passed.

they are claiming its only going to be the 250 thousand dollar income range.

that is complete BS, you know it and I know it, and any one else who pays attention to what they do after the fact..

knows it.

once it is approved and made a permanent fixture.. that Health Care bill, it will be revised and changed that everyone will pay into with a certain income initially...

and then it will trickle down to the middle class which will include my family.

and we will be forced to pay into that system that covers abortions and be forced to contribute..
to something I am vehemently against.

I know this is exactly how it is going to play out.

* once they have brought up the fact a "taxpayer" will cover a program its only a matter of time when it includes..all the "taxpayers".

I fully support a woman's right to choose and there is a law that makes the procedure legal and there fore they can cover all the expenses for it themselves or work it out with their "man" or for whatever reasons..

(I am referring to those who view abortion as a convenience/alternate form of birth control)

those who must endure that procedure for medical reasons.. to save the life of the mother.. most of those pregnancies are wanted and it is just heart wrenching.. to know a parent wants that child.. but all lives are compromised because of a serious medical situation. (and that is probaly covered by insurance)

that is a completely different situation altogether.


I try very hard to be understanding in most all situations, but in some I will not budge when it involves the life of an unborn child.

it is not my place to deny something that a person may feel they must do for their life, just do not expect families who are against it..

forced to cover it.

if its in that bill, I will not support it..

(regardless)

JMO.

 

[tech2101]

at the same time covering illegals ...and that some of you come to your senses.

94
1 ‘‘(h) NO FEDERAL FUNDING.—Nothing in this Act
2 shall allow Federal payments for individuals who are not
3 lawfully present in the United States.

See page 94 in the draft bill.

 

[tech2101]

I will not support the funding of that procedure disguised or present in a Health Care Bill.

Does your group health insurance care provider cover abortions?

If so, are you going to cancel your coverage?

 

[Freedom4all]

Does your group health insurance care provider cover abortions?

If so, are you going to cancel your coverage?

If people had that option then people just might. But yet again THE GOVERNMENT restricts the insurance industry from competing against each other across state lines.

Get it? :blink:

 

[tech2101]

If people had that option then people just might. But yet again THE GOVERNMENT restricts the insurance industry from competing against each other across state lines. Get it? :blink:

It is not quite that simple. Are you willing to give the federal government the authority and take it away from the state's? State's rights supporters would be all over that. Insurance is regulated at the state level. There would be huge state's rights legal hurdles to make that happen. However, it could be done. Be careful what you wish for. That could open the door to more federal regulation of what has traditionally been a state regulated function...

A. State Insurance Regulation under the McCarran-Ferguson Act States have historically had the primary role in regulation of insurance products. This role was reaffirmed by the McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945 (McCarran-Ferguson Act),...
The Act had two aims: (1) to re-affirm the role of the states as the primary regulators of the insurance industry while preserving federal authority to regulate insurance through “specificâ€￾ enactments; and (2) to provide limited federal antitrust immunity for the insurance industry.23 The relevant statutory language is as follows:
(a) State regulation
The business of insurance, and every person engaged therein, shall be subject to the laws of the several States which relate to the regulation or taxation of such business.
(b.) Federal regulation
No Act of Congress shall be construed to invalidate, impair, or supersede any law enacted by any State for the purpose of regulating the business of insurance, or which imposes a fee or tax upon such business, unless such Act specifically
relates to the business of insurance... (Kanwit p14)

I agree with you that there should be change.

All of these quotes are from a well written piece by Stephanie Kanwit, J.D., from the O’NEILL INSTITUTE FOR NATIONAL AND GLOBAL HEALTH LAW.

The major obstacles to this are contained in the introduction in her paper:

Under the various PASL [Purchase of Insurance Across State Lines] proposals, health insurance issuers could offer individual policies of insurance from any state regardless of the residence state of the individual purchaser... – assuming that the cost of care is constant across all geographic areas. (Kanwit p15)

Read on:

Any federal legislation to enact PASL in an individual insurance market would have to address two main legal considerations: 1) the McCarran-Ferguson Act, which allows the states to retain their regulatory authority over insurance, and 2) a constitutional prohibition against the commandeering of state officials by the federal government. ... Additionally, the concepts discussed here may be relevant to any federal health reform legislation involving regulation of health insurance or the use of state officials. (Kanwit p9)

Full article is here.

It is titled: The Purchase of Insurance Across State Lines in the Individual Insurance Market - Stephanie Kanwit

Citation:

This paper is posted at Scholarship @ GEORGETOWN LAW.
http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/ois papers/26

 

[Dignity]

I will not support being forced to pay for abortions via the government Health Care plan.

(but that is probably going to be the case if most have their way)

I thought this was to be a free country, guess not.

seeing the big picture literally just goes right over most people's head or grasping the concept!

* I am however still supporting Plan D as mentioned.

 

[Garfield1966]

Lol. You don't want to pay for abortions and you don't want to pay for supporting the kids that result in unwanted pregnancies. That makes perfect sense.

You still have not given any suggestions for reducing unwanted pregnancies. Does that mean you do not support public funding of birth control and sex ed either? Let me guess. You support the stick your head in the sand Palin doctrine of just say no. That worked so well for Reagan I guess they just had to try it again.

 

[Garfield1966]

So you'll give the RNC/DNC (when did they elected by popular vote anyway??) a free pass on reality? Did I miss a constitutional amendment here or do the voters still decide?

Life is reality and you want to kill it because it is convenient and less expensive for you.

That is cowardly.

No-cost healthcare is already here and that ain't utopia.

Pay up.

You are the one who said that you would be willing to increase my taxes 1000% in order to pay for the rearing of all these kids. Seems like a very 'liberal' POV if you ask me.

How many politicians do you think get elected with out the support of the RNC/DNC? Lieberman is the only one I can think of and he does not really count since he got his name recognition from being a dem backed by the DNC.

Given that the the RNC/Republican party supposedly stands for small government and a small tax burden I am not sure how exactly you plan on paying for all these unwanted births that you want to happen. Any republican who puts forth such a bill would be out of office so quick it would make his head spin. Dems won't do it because there is a cheaper more effective way to deal with an unwanted pregnancy although they will never phrase it that way because people don't like to have the truth spoken to them. Just like omnivores do not like to know where there food come from.

One mans cowardice is another mans financial practicality. Why don't you call up a family planning center and tell them that the next woman who wants to get an abortion should call you. Let them know that you will personally write a check to cover her prenatal care and the cost of the birth so long as she consents to place the child up for adoption. Also, specify to the adoption agency that should they be unable to place the child with a family, you will cover all expenses for the child till it is adopted or graduates high school and turns 18. After you do that, then you come talk to me about my cowardice for being willing to pay for the abortion. Until then, all you are doing is spewing hot air. Either put your money where your mouth is or .......

 

[Dignity]

I know I know,

of course someone is going to come up with some blame game and then
try to convince everyone why we have to pay for this..and it will be just another
finger pointing excuse because of how some interpret what happened over
the past eight years and therefore its going to be everyone's responsibility to
have to pay for this program that funds something I do not agree with and eventually forced to through taxes!

and this is the line they are probably going to use...

"We have no suggestions for reducing unwanted pregnancies"

followed by..

"so since we cant reduce them and well how in the world are we going to pay for them once they are here and you know half of them are going to end up in jail or juvy so lets go ahead and....."

"if it wasn't for the past eight years, unwanted pregnancies would have never materialized in the first place, so we need to go ahead and put abortions in the health care bill"

"its all the Republican's fault"





some should be a politician.

 

[Garfield1966]

So sex ed, birth control and family planning are not valid ideas?

What are your ideas?

 

[Dignity]

"oh they just dont pay attention to all these education programs we have so lets go ahead and put this right here in this bill"

 

[tech2101]

So sex ed, birth control and family planning are not valid ideas?

What are your ideas?

Those worked for my family. :unsure:

 

[Ed Norton]

A right wing nut job using the bible to justify murder. Nice. Why am I not surprised.

That is one evil picture. Something is wrong with your soul, brother. :unsure: