Afa Walk's Out On Us Airways Management

[drrstrav]

Boy, your languagge is really showing great intellect, as well as you hatred, etc. You are projecting a great deal: FYI I do not leave in the traler park, I know other words beside "four letter and starting with F or S or A"

I will not lower myself to your guys level any more.

We are still 2 companies, 2 certificate and you just took down a 12 yrs old fence at one of you base. You are right, let everybody come to PHX and LAS and you will see that we are less up to use foul language.

 

[PITbull]

drr.

This is one company called LCC. We just happening to be operating on 2 certificates, until employees and contracts are integrated. The single certificate is sceduled for April 2007 and then within 12 months we will be integrated.

Your ideas of "separate state" is delusional at best.

Get over it. You are in the "big leagues".

 

[drrstrav]

PITBULL.

If this is one company called LCC, than they were not employed by LCC 4- 5 yrs. ago. Or Were they? Guess what, this is hair splitting. "Big league" indicates to me proper vocabulary, high class ammenities, none discrimenation, etc.

 

[TheNewLowFare]

I pretty much given up. I don't even care anymore. Whatever happens, happens. It's out of my control and I'm just going to let karma manifest. All this disagreement is caused by Ego. A collection of beliefs arising from fear and the illusion of division. It takes too much energy worrying, hating, arguing and fighting. Personally, I'm sick of it.
This is going to be my last post here and will be asking the moderator to remove me.

 

[Twicebaked]

I pretty much given up. I don't even care anymore. Whatever happens, happens. It's out of my control and I'm just going to let karma manifest. All this disagreement is caused by Ego. A collection of beliefs arising from fear and the illusion of division. It takes too much energy worrying, hating, arguing and fighting. Personally, I'm sick of it.
This is going to be my last post here and will be asking the moderator to remove me.

Remove you??? Just stay away from this website! 🙂

It is stupid. We are ONE company operating two seperate "Divsions" if you will. Longevity should go with you if you go to the "other side" in the interim. End of story.

 

[TheNewLowFare]

Remove you??? Just stay away from this website! 🙂

It is stupid. We are ONE company operating two seperate "Divsions" if you will. Longevity should go with you if you go to the "other side" in the interim. End of story.

It is better if I'm removed. It is better if there is no attachment to all the negative energy that is in this website.

 

[USstew23]

You East people forget: they are not "recalled" to HP, but hired on under HP certicate. Recall would be to US East, but to Hp is not a recall. Furthermore, if any employee within the Hp system wants to be F/A, they loose all seniority and start brand new even though they might have work for HP many many years. Everything starts from "ground zero". This could be one of the reason why, HP F/As are very addament about this "hybrid" approach of "recall/new hire". Moreover if they were on furlough since 9/11, they effectively did not work the last 4 years .

Yes, you on the East Coast were given back to the company many $$, however West Coast F/A always worked only sligtly more than min. wages. Thus there was nothing to give back. Also, in the West there is only min.number of F/a working the flight (FAR req); i.e. 737 and airbus (319/320)= 3 F/a while 757= 4 F/a. If I am correct, East has min. one extra F/a on each flight.

It appears, that there is many angle to this issue, not only theat EAST SUFFERED A LOT and THEY NEED LOTS OF REWARDS FROM THE NEW USairways for their past grievences.

thank you

We fly with min. crew as well 3 on the baby boeing and the short bus 4 on the 57 and 5 on the 67. And no most of us have not been furloughed since 9/11.

 

[USstew23]

Your welcome,

where should i start with this immature and naive junior comment from the westie side of things... This is not a "typical" recall for sure - however we are one company and if you recall it is for that company, so while under the west certificate as the two operate seperately invols would be at the bottom and after they are completely merged they would be "bumped" up - the way it should be at their pay for the service they have done... you cannot take that away and for you to think that if someone at USAir goes from gate agent to F/A,they do start over in seniority and do not take their seniority with them.. You should be trying to protect your brothers and sisters that have allowed your sorry a** to have a job by taking cuts and being smashed in the ground, instead of bashing them more, Unreal, Once again the sun must have gotten to your pea sized brain!! Sorry for the hating - but if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then well - what the F**K its a DUCK!!!! So show some love and not hate it will get you alot further in life than the rusty trailer park wheel you are driving on now buddy!

P.S. maybe we should say NO FENCES and let senior mommas transfer to phoenix and have the junior people go to the east bases where they want - be careful what you bargain for - obviously you are very naive and inexperienced!!!

Oh now, please please don't do this, it just adds fuel, although I think we get your point, it's not going to help to yell at them. I'm one of those 4 year people that are furloughed. I'm fine being on 4 year pay at HP and being on the bottom for a bit, but in all fairness they should be up with us. Can you imagine what it will be like for us to go over there and have the whole West bunch snubbing us?

 

[PITbull]

USstew,

You get it; they don't. They are receiving their years of service longevity according to their contract. The issue is that want you to be at new hire pay rate.

My understanding of the MEC-West is that they want your 4 years to be translated to "new hire" pay, even though their 4 year receives 4 year pay on AWA pay scale. The MEC-West is saying that since our furloughees are going to be at the bottom in seniority, then they should be a bottom starting pay (not paid according to their AWA flying partners). Their logic is that their 1 year or 6 month f/a will be senior to you for bidding purposes temporarily, but wouldn't be fair for you to receive higher pay than they. Basically, they don't recognize your years of service when you were active at all. They view you as being hired by a different company. How logical is that?

This is the debate on this board.

It is imperative, therefore, that the West Section 6 negotiations that has already been in process for 20 months proceeds first to completion. They are in mediation currently. Shows you what kind of management they (West)are dealing with as well.

 

[Retired1]

drr.

This is one company called LCC. We just happening to be operating on 2 certificates, until employees and contracts are integrated. The single certificate is sceduled for April 2007 and then within 12 months we will be integrated.

Your ideas of "separate state" is delusional at best.

Get over it. You are in the "big leagues".

The PBGC must think it is one company. More than one on this board said their pension was being stopped because they worked for West now and retired from East.

 

[IpourNotCan]

USstew,

You get it; they don't. They are receiving their years of service longevity according to their contract. The issue is that want you to be at new hire pay rate.

PITBULL,

Why do you keep saying "THEY", "THEY", "THEY" like it's the whole US West F/A group that wants to put the furloughed US East at the bottom of the payscale? What the US WEST MEC Wants is to put everyone at the fair Parity Payscale. The same payscale as the US East. You are making everyone angry by your vicious postings and you are going to be the major cause of division among the flight attendant group. :angry:

 

[mdarules]

PITBULL,

Why do you keep saying "THEY", "THEY", "THEY" like it's the whole US West F/A group that wants to put the furloughed US East at the bottom of the payscale? What the US WEST MEC Wants is to put everyone at the fair Parity Payscale. The same payscale as the US East. You are making everyone angry by your vicious postings and you are going to be the major cause of division among the flight attendant group. :angry:

I am so sorry - but if you let one person divide a group of 2500 then you are extremely weak and vulnerable and should be divided. What I believe is you are using the invols as a hostages to bring your wages up, which you should be doing that through negotiating a contract for yourself, not holding invols as a negotiating tool - they will come over at their payscale - you folks need to worry about your "contract" that needs to be negotiated and quit using the invols as a negotiating tool, If you start playing hardball trust me it will not go the way the WEST wants, and deep down they know that - so do whats right not whats foolish!

 

[IpourNotCan]

I am so sorry - but if you let one person divide a group of 2500 then you are extremely weak and vulnerable and should be divided. What I believe is you are using the invols as a hostages to bring your wages up, which you should be doing that through negotiating a contract for yourself, not holding invols as a negotiating tool - they will come over at their payscale - you folks need to worry about your "contract" that needs to be negotiated and quit using the invols as a negotiating tool, If you start playing hardball trust me it will not go the way the WEST wants, and deep down they know that - so do whats right not whats foolish!

Oh now....you are calling us weak? Believe me, if we end up with a shitty contract, you'll be affected too! Do you realize how much cheaper for the new US Airways not to pay the US West parity payscale to do international routes and NO first F/A pay?

 

[LCC_#1]

PITBULL,

Why do you keep saying "THEY", "THEY", "THEY" like it's the whole US West F/A group that wants to put the furloughed US East at the bottom of the payscale? What the US WEST MEC Wants is to put everyone at the fair Parity Payscale. The same payscale as the US East. You are making everyone angry by your vicious postings and you are going to be the major cause of division among the flight attendant group. :angry:

Hold on cowboy/cowgirl,

There is nothing wrong with pay parity. I have read NOWHERE that states PB has against this. We all want pay parity. Put down the cocktail. She is bringing up the issue that a four year furloughed f/a should have their years of sevice honored if they temporarily go to the bottom in PHX BECAUSE we are ONE company. Just because they are furloughed doesn't mean their 4 years shouldn't count.

Pitbull can be tough, but she is fair and it would behoove you to cool your jets and stop defending posters just because they are from the west. PB would be the FIRST to say that we should all have parity, but the new management not only DOESN'T want this but wants a 4 year furloughed US East f/a to take a paycut. DO YOU GET IT? How would YOU feel if this were you? Please don't give me the thankful crap. You would be angry...a common feeling.

Some of you guys live in some strange bubble where you act like nobody should have an opinion and God knows nobody should show emotion. Well, I know PB and she was a hard, dedicated MEC Pres. who can see something for what it is. You should only WISH she were staying and representing ALL of us.

I will take PB's directness ANYDAY over a bunch of AMWAY- like, back stabbing, emotionless, smiling bafoons.

 

[LCC_#1]

Oh now....you are calling us weak? Believe me, if we end up with a shitty contract, you'll be affected too! Do you realize how much cheaper for the new US Airways not to pay the US West parity payscale to do international routes and NO first F/A pay?

You are so full of it. She said IF...IF...IF. GET IT?? Some of you guys just want to fight. You read one word and go off on a person. You and the other west f/a's ARE weak if one person has THAT much power over your thoughts AND emotions, which nobody has. Geez!!

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