Afa Walk's Out On Us Airways Management

[mdarules]

He is no "Teddy" that is for sure. I wish it were she in that room.

No matter who it is in the room we just need to make sure the right thing is done - and the LEC definitely has a voice in it- And from what I understand it isn't M Flores that is being an idiot, it is the Awest MEC that is being absolutely retarded in the head to the situation about our invols coming over at our pay rate - haven't they been through enough already - give me a brake if you had done years of service i am sure you would want to be recognized for them and that is not asking for anything just what is right. So get off your horse that isn't so high - and smarten up. you are being ludicrous and childish to say the very least!!! 😉

 

[HP_JACK]

you expect east to come aboard prior to certificates being merged work as a "new hire" and be payed more than our 1-10 yr fa's? Thats not being selfish... the company needs to do what is right and give west a pay parity and finish our contract. I have no problem with them hiring east furloughs ... I welcome them with open arms! but not to be paid more than me while we are still operating under west certificate. The company needs to do what is right and stop trying to divide us. I expect nothing less from our MEC here in phoenix to fight for these things! I ask you what else should they do sit around and do nothing? The members would not be happy.

 

[azfyer]

I see...you want to merge with ATA instead, so they would be the ones getting screwed, not US West..since US West is more senior than ATA, thats pretty selfish.

Well, THANKYOU for finally admitting that US "West" IS GETTING SCREWED!!!

 

[HPGUY]

you expect east to come aboard prior to certificates being merged work as a "new hire" and be payed more than our 1-10 yr fa's? Thats not being selfish... the company needs to do what is right and give west a pay parity and finish our contract. I have no problem with them hiring east furloughs ... I welcome them with open arms! but not to be paid more than me while we are still operating under west certificate. The company needs to do what is right and stop trying to divide us. I expect nothing less from our MEC here in phoenix to fight for these things! I ask you what else should they do sit around and do nothing? The members would not be happy.

How does a FA from US East making the pay they've earned make things unfair for you? If you're unhappy with your pay it has nothing to do with anyone else. I believe the AFA reps are working on the pay scales for US West. Why hold the rest of our team back because we can't have what we want?

 

[HP_JACK]

Thats exactly right ... don't hold the rest of the team back, bring west up to the same pay scale as east if east furloughs come. Thats not asking for much and I am tired of the company crying "we have no money". Do you have any idea what would hapen if you had a bunch of new hire east sitting hot reserve with west? I am not blaming this on east I would not want to them to come down to our pay, however they need to pay our reserves the same as them since we are still operating under HP certificate.

 

[airportman]

I can not seem to understand the anger of the pay thing......I fly and do the same job as my coworkers and most of the time they all make more than i doing the same job.......its basicly based on senority in the f/a position, so if the us east furloghed f/a came back to us west at the bottom, they deserve to be paid their rate....

Now i do agree all rates need to be equal for all with respect to years as an f/a.

Ever fly with that senior mamma who does nothing and you do all the work and they do nothing and the make double your rate......now there is a true issue.

WE SHOULD SUPPORT EACH OTHER IN OUR BATTLE FOR A UNIFIED CONTRACT.....NOT BATTLE IN OUR GROUP

 

[IpourNotCan]

If there is no Pay parity for US West, imagine how much cheaper for the new US Airways to pay US West F/As to do the international routes from the West. No First Class Pay, lower pay scale and lower international pay? They know what they are doing, so we better stick together because everyone is going to be affected by this.

 

[mdarules]

Thats exactly right ... don't hold the rest of the team back, bring west up to the same pay scale as east if east furloughs come. Thats not asking for much and I am tired of the company crying "we have no money". Do you have any idea what would hapen if you had a bunch of new hire east sitting hot reserve with west? I am not blaming this on east I would not want to them to come down to our pay, however they need to pay our reserves the same as them since we are still operating under HP certificate.

Yes, they should be paid more but not at the fault of useast furloughees having a job, there are no new hire easties BTW, the most junior has four years and the most senior invol almost 6 so there are no new hires, and they put in their time so pay em, if you want more money work it out in the new contract or the one you are supposed to be negotiating now and quit using innocent people who want their jobs as leverage. I am sure that US east will stand behing you in negotiations for more money in your new contract... as we all know we are making S**t and can qualify for food stamps while upper mgmt, drives around in their mercedes- hell i'm sure they all do now with the cushy bonus...

 

[Twicebaked]

Thats exactly right ... don't hold the rest of the team back, bring west up to the same pay scale as east if east furloughs come. Thats not asking for much and I am tired of the company crying "we have no money". Do you have any idea what would hapen if you had a bunch of new hire east sitting hot reserve with west? I am not blaming this on east I would not want to them to come down to our pay, however they need to pay our reserves the same as them since we are still operating under HP certificate.

It was my understanding that the US East furloughees would be at HP pay rates, but come in at their longevity that they EARNED at US before getting furloughed. What is unfair about that???? When you get called back to a company (not matter what department) you keep your years of service. When those furloughees went to MAA they brought their years of service with them and got paid at the MAA payscale. There is no difference folks. THEY ARE NOT AND I REPEAT THEY ARE NOT NEW HIRES!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE RECALLS. Recalls get paid for requal training and/or recurrent. They would not go through HP whole new hire program. Just as they did not go through a new hire MAA training. There was a special program (approved by the FAA) that allowed these folks not to go through it.

 

[LCC_#1]

you expect east to come aboard prior to certificates being merged work as a "new hire" and be payed more than our 1-10 yr fa's? Thats not being selfish... the company needs to do what is right and give west a pay parity and finish our contract. I have no problem with them hiring east furloughs ... I welcome them with open arms! but not to be paid more than me while we are still operating under west certificate. The company needs to do what is right and stop trying to divide us. I expect nothing less from our MEC here in phoenix to fight for these things! I ask you what else should they do sit around and do nothing? The members would not be happy.

EXACTLY!!

We need to remember that you guys are STILL without a new contract. Now is the time for the company to do the right thing. This US East stew is behind you on this one. 😎

 

[drrstrav]

You East people forget: they are not "recalled" to HP, but hired on under HP certicate. Recall would be to US East, but to Hp is not a recall. Furthermore, if any employee within the Hp system wants to be F/A, they loose all seniority and start brand new even though they might have work for HP many many years. Everything starts from "ground zero". This could be one of the reason why, HP F/As are very addament about this "hybrid" approach of "recall/new hire". Moreover if they were on furlough since 9/11, they effectively did not work the last 4 years .

Yes, you on the East Coast were given back to the company many $$, however West Coast F/A always worked only sligtly more than min. wages. Thus there was nothing to give back. Also, in the West there is only min.number of F/a working the flight (FAR req); i.e. 737 and airbus (319/320)= 3 F/a while 757= 4 F/a. If I am correct, East has min. one extra F/a on each flight.

It appears, that there is many angle to this issue, not only theat EAST SUFFERED A LOT and THEY NEED LOTS OF REWARDS FROM THE NEW USairways for their past grievences.

thank you

 

[PITbull]

you expect east to come aboard prior to certificates being merged work as a "new hire" and be payed more than our 1-10 yr fa's? Thats not being selfish... the company needs to do what is right and give west a pay parity and finish our contract. I have no problem with them hiring east furloughs ... I welcome them with open arms! but not to be paid more than me while we are still operating under west certificate. The company needs to do what is right and stop trying to divide us. I expect nothing less from our MEC here in phoenix to fight for these things! I ask you what else should they do sit around and do nothing? The members would not be happy.

HP Jack,

What year longevity are you at present? If you are at 3 years, than you are getting third year pay according to AWA Contract. What the MEC-West is demanding is that our INVOLS who are at 3 years longevity should be paid "new hire rates" only because those at higher bidding on West side should not be paid lower than the invols who are at the bottom of the seniority list..Our invols will not be double WHAMED!

You guys better get over this because the INVOLS will be coming back at their longevity pay. Can't erase years of active duty and service.

 

[drrstrav]

Question: If you are on furlought how could you be 😱n active duty and service". According, to earlier posts , they are working other than airline jobs. Also they are not coming back to Us airways certificate: they want to come back NOW (while we are still 2 separate company) to Hp ASAP instead of waiting till the 2 certificate merges. If they wait, I am sure nobody will be raising any voice if they get back their seniority and longevities.

 

[Whatnow?]

Also, in the West there is only min.number of F/a working the flight (FAR req); i.e. 737 and airbus (319/320)= 3 F/a while 757= 4 F/a. If I am correct, East has min. one extra F/a on each flight.


US/East...3 F/A's on the 737, 319, and 320. 4 F/A's on the 321 and 757 ( which is still a minimum staff considering they hold 169 and 193 respectively). 5 F/A's on the 767 Domestic. The only extra F/A's you speak of are LODO which would be Spanish to Latin America and Mexico only.

 

[mdarules]

You East people forget: they are not "recalled" to HP, but hired on under HP certicate. Recall would be to US East, but to Hp is not a recall. Furthermore, if any employee within the Hp system wants to be F/A, they loose all seniority and start brand new even though they might have work for HP many many years. Everything starts from "ground zero". This could be one of the reason why, HP F/As are very addament about this "hybrid" approach of "recall/new hire". Moreover if they were on furlough since 9/11, they effectively did not work the last 4 years .

Yes, you on the East Coast were given back to the company many $$, however West Coast F/A always worked only sligtly more than min. wages. Thus there was nothing to give back. Also, in the West there is only min.number of F/a working the flight (FAR req); i.e. 737 and airbus (319/320)= 3 F/a while 757= 4 F/a. If I am correct, East has min. one extra F/a on each flight.

It appears, that there is many angle to this issue, not only theat EAST SUFFERED A LOT and THEY NEED LOTS OF REWARDS FROM THE NEW USairways for their past grievences.

thank you

Your welcome,

where should i start with this immature and naive junior comment from the westie side of things... This is not a "typical" recall for sure - however we are one company and if you recall it is for that company, so while under the west certificate as the two operate seperately invols would be at the bottom and after they are completely merged they would be "bumped" up - the way it should be at their pay for the service they have done... you cannot take that away and for you to think that if someone at USAir goes from gate agent to F/A,they do start over in seniority and do not take their seniority with them.. You should be trying to protect your brothers and sisters that have allowed your sorry a** to have a job by taking cuts and being smashed in the ground, instead of bashing them more, Unreal, Once again the sun must have gotten to your pea sized brain!! Sorry for the hating - but if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then well - what the F**K its a DUCK!!!! So show some love and not hate it will get you alot further in life than the rusty trailer park wheel you are driving on now buddy!

P.S. maybe we should say NO FENCES and let senior mommas transfer to phoenix and have the junior people go to the east bases where they want - be careful what you bargain for - obviously you are very naive and inexperienced!!!