Ok Luke, I'll bite. Get over yourself already. I think some of you are having a bad day at the AFA call center.
You just can't understand or you don't want to understand that
there are many F/A's out there who just don't feel the same "luvvy duvvy, AFA will SAVE US ALL" attitude. and yes ATTITUDE. While this board did offer a lot of useful information it also provided examples of the worse of what a Union is all about. The mean spirited attitude of many Unions Supporters. There are many examples on these boards. The best is that Union supporters feel that all non supporters are just stupid and ignorant. WTG
The reason that you like to attack or simply call someone a plant is NOT because you are frustrated with them, its because you must be frustrated with yourself. Because you FAILED. You failed to have some believe what you believe. I have said it before, I believe the lesser of two evils is Delta. You believe its AFA. We will all know what the majority of F/A's think May 28. Now you got your panties in a bunch when I said you had 30 years and not CLOSE to 30 years. I know you don't want someone to "figure out" who you are. However you don't want to understand that a F/A's history means a lot on how they vote. Were those Delta Years? Pan Am? Western?
I know you wont answer. That's ok. Its just the HISTORY of the way Delta has treated the F/A group far out ways in favor of the F/A. History has shown that. During past Mergers/acquisitions. Delta has protected the DELTA F/A group. If I were a plant I would have copied and pasted a lot of what management has said, however quite frankly I don't believe everything they tell us. Just like I don't believe the Union can save the day at Delta and believe everything they say. However I will stick with Delta because they are the evil that I know. I feel the Union will be a Trojan horse that we will all regret. JMHO.
Booy:
I'm not going to waste a lot of time but you are throwing rocks from the proverbial glass house.
Just take a look at that post of yours. Just stop. And reread it.
It's full of harsh judgement (your reasons why I labeled you as a plant) and teenage invective ("panties in a wad") which really surprise me coming from you. I would guess your emotions are quite raw at this time and if so, I hope that since your posting, you have been able to take a deep breath and calm down.
You also have selective memory or don't recall my private email to you. I'm only going to rehash this once more because it obviously bothers you. I made a post where I offered that I had "close to 30 years". I had made the same reference to my years of service before. My seniority was not even the main point of the posting but you decided to come in, click "reply" and with no comment on what the thread was really about, question my stated years: "I thought you said you had 30 years." WHAT difference does one or two years make in light of the conversation? The only thing I could surmise from the post was that you were trying desperately ,in a nit-picking way, to paint me, an AFA supporter, as a liar. I even explained that to you in private email and the reason I don't wish to get too specific about who I am, but to no avail. That's the skinny on that from my angle. End of story.
Now, on to the history of Delta, seniority integration, and the May 28th outcome.
Who is Delta to you? Is it Ron Allen? Can't be. Ruined the company and its long history of truly being a "family" and is gone. Leo? To many, destroyed what was left of the company, took his millions and is..yep, gone.
Sharon Wibben? Kept out the union. Mission accomplished. Gone.
Or is it this new Mgt team? What do you know about them? THEIR histories? Is it not true that Mr. Anderson worked with Frank Lorenzo? Do I need to tell you who he is? What about Mr. Steenland, who is orchestrating this combo along with Mr. Anderson? He's certainly not Delta but he's very involved and will sit on the newly-formed board. He tried to outsource NW Int'l flying. So when you say "Delta has a history of..." Just WHO are you talking about?
Now, seniority integration. How many times does Danny Campbell have to explain this? (This is another reason that you and Cooper SEEM to fit the "plant" characteristics---you simply won't acknowledge facts.) Per Mr. Campbells' numerous postings: If NW FAs sense that the Delta seniority panel is trying to "get a leg up" so-to-speak on the integration, they will immediately leave the table and it will go to an arbitrator. You are trying to compare this event to two totally different historical events: WA and PA. Western, because of them having had less-than-35% of the combined FA population, their union (AFA)was dissolved. There was no problem anyway because date of hire was used. PanAm was, as you must know by now, an acquisition of assets. They were interviewed and offered jobs. Obviously they came in knowing their union was, again, dissolved. This has been explained on this board over and over and over again. Read my lips: THERE IS NO HISTORICAL PRECEDENT FOR A F/A SENIORITY INTEGRATION AT DELTA OF THIS (THE OTHER AIRLINE'S) SIZE AND SCOPE. You're willing to gamble based on a "history" (of which there is none w/ these particular circumstances) by a Delta (which mostly consists of a revolving door of "leaders"...the latest only being here a few months). That's your perogative. Just as it is mine to not gamble based on the reasons I've given above.
May 28th. The day the gamblers (you and the anti-afa group) vs. the non gamblers (those, like me that voted for representation) find out who prevails. Booy, you don't know me but I'm going to be just fine if the vote fails. I certainly don't put as much stock into it as you think. If things get too unbearable, if the Intl flying is farmed out or another severe paycut gets handed down (overnight), then I have other options. I recently finished my college degree and am about to start part-time employment in another field. I carry no debt and have always lived within my means--I've saved. I also have, though not what it would have been, a small pension to supplement the income I may receive from a new job.
You are mistaken that I am frustrated. I'm not; more than anything, I'm weary of this whole debate and of the worst it can bring out in people. It reminds me a lot of politics.
I hope you continue to enjoy your career at Delta whatever the outcome.
