Aircraft maint issues

[B737 driver]

What have you been smoking? If you don't understand what happened to TWA, please don't throw out random BS comments to disparage the rank and file TWU members. That was all handled by an arbitrator named Kasher.

Not unlike Hackman, I too had close contact with NWA AMTs - to this day, they stick to their guns on their decision to strike. Don't forget what their choices were at the time, and you tell us what you would do.
1) Vote YES and 55% of the AMFA membership gets RIF'd - most are the non AMT type BTW.
2) Vote No and risk going on strike

I can understand your frustration; but trust me, your frustration with any of these other non craft unions would be double given the same circumstances.

I know what happened to TWA they were IAM they thought their jobs were safe and they were decimated. The resulting legacy was the McCaskill/ Bond act. Most of the employees were stapled on the bottom. Maintenance faired a little better . Unlike the lottery the USair guys were treated fairly because of that legislation. Then St Louis bases and Kansas city became ghost towns. As far as Northwest AMFA knew of the replacement workers and their actions destroyed their members. After studying the TWA situation I now understand why the IAM wanted this Association to make sure their members were not decimated again, like TWA was.

 

[bigjets]

Just watched another downhill meeting. The IAM guy had a good statement, but what a lot of guys seem to forget is, if we get IAMs current healthcare, all 27k FAs and all 14k Pilots will want the same healthcare not to mention all other employees. Which would be awesome, but we don't live in candyland.

Please, we all have a story about our individual responsibilities, don't think that your responsibilities is the company responsibility, and nobody is enslaved to be working at AA. You have the option of leaving AA, you are NOT trapped.

 

[WeAAsles]

Just watched another downhill meeting. The IAM guy had a good statement, but what a lot of guys seem to forget is, if we get IAMs current healthcare, all 27k FAs and all 14k Pilots will want the same healthcare not to mention all other employees. Which would be awesome, but we don't live in candyland.

Please, we all have a story about our individual responsibilities, don't think that your responsibilities is the company responsibility, and nobody is enslaved to be working at AA. You have the option of leaving AA, you are NOT trapped.

I’m sure every time at LUS that the Pilots, Flight Attendants and Agents went to negotiate the conversation turned to Medical costs. Actually if any group is going to negotiate all Articles of course Medical will be a part of those talks.

They never secured it in the past at LUS. And the difference today of course being the entity is substantially larger merged with LAA and their revenue is tremendous.

 

[WeAAsles]

Just watched another downhill meeting. The IAM guy had a good statement, but what a lot of guys seem to forget is, if we get IAMs current healthcare, all 27k FAs and all 14k Pilots will want the same healthcare not to mention all other employees. Which would be awesome, but we don't live in candyland.

Just saw the part you mentioned and noted Isoms comment,

“We have to find a way to coalesce around the AA Medical”

My question would be why?

 

[Hackman]

Yes I was.

My wife clocks in and out of TULE 5 days a week just like many of you. My household is just as affected by the contract as ANY American Airlines employee so, I don't really care if you think my "opines" are valid or not Hackman.

That being said, I put 12 years into that airline. Funny how when you work at American Airlines you are a UNION BROTHER but when you are on layoff status you are an "outsider looking in". Just one more example of the never ending UNION hypocrisy.

I have to ask why is it that you seem bound and determined to make an enemy of me? I don't recall us having any confrontations in the past. In fact I find myself agreeing with a lot of what you say.

It seems to me like you are just angry period. Problem is it's not focused on anything but everybody.

Nice try sir obfuscating the issue, it's not union hypocrisy, nothing to do with a union, just a fact. This is a Aircraft Maint Thread, you were not an AMT nor are you employed by AA. Your wife clocks in at AA, not you. Thus, your an outsider. You took the layoff instead of moving out of TULE? Correct or no? You would have had a job with AA at another station.Correct or no? I mean you had 12 years, so you took the layoff, right? I have many AMT friends that took the layoff and went to school and started other careers like yourself instead of moving, that was their choice. Most of them wouldn't come back to AA if recalled, especially since this take-over by USukAir.

I'm not making an enemy of you, you're doing that yourself with constant interjection in a AMT thread you have no business in, and you're arrogant comments. I could care less if you like me or not. Your just another unknown person on a computer with outside opinions and no skin in this AMT game.

Once again, you don't work here, your wife does.

 

[B737 driver]

Nice try sir obfuscating the issue, it's not union hypocrisy, nothing to do with a union, just a fact. This is a Aircraft Maint Thread, you were not an AMT nor are you employed by AA. Your wife clocks in at AA, not you. Thus, your an outsider. You took the layoff instead of moving out of TULE? Correct or no? You would have had a job with AA at another station.Correct or no? I mean you had 12 years, so you took the layoff, right? I have many AMT friends that took the layoff and went to school and started other careers like yourself instead of moving, that was their choice. Most of them wouldn't come back to AA if recalled, especially since this take-over by USukAir.

I'm not making an enemy of you, you're doing that yourself with constant interjection in a AMT thread you have no business in, and you're arrogant comments. I could care less if you like me or not. Your just another unknown person on a computer with outside opinions and no skin in this AMT game.

Once again, you don't work here, your wife does.

That sounds hypocritical if you Hack when you interject onto SWA boards since you don't work at SWA. So you can float all over internet land, because I believe quote " It's free to go anywhere you want. I mean Jesus Christ man you have to keep track of my posts.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Nice try sir obfuscating the issue, it's not union hypocrisy, nothing to do with a union, just a fact. This is a Aircraft Maint Thread, you were not an AMT nor are you employed by AA. Your wife clocks in at AA, not you. Thus, your an outsider. You took the layoff instead of moving out of TULE? Correct or no? You would have had a job with AA at another station.Correct or no? I mean you had 12 years, so you took the layoff, right? I have many AMT friends that took the layoff and went to school and started other careers like yourself instead of moving, that was their choice. Most of them wouldn't come back to AA if recalled, especially since this take-over by USukAir.

I'm not making an enemy of you, you're doing that yourself with constant interjection in a AMT thread you have no business in, and you're arrogant comments. I could care less if you like me or not. Your just another unknown person on a computer with outside opinions and no skin in this AMT game.

Once again, you don't work here, your wife does.

I pity you.

Again, your anger is not focused on anything but everybody.

I have no wish to be your lighting rod.

 

[B737 driver]

I pity you.

Again, your anger is not focused on anything but everybody.

I have no wish to be your lighting rod.

The difference between him and me, is he is both angry at his employer and his union. I love my job, SWA, the people I work with, and the one's that work for me, respect me, because I take care of them. I am just pissed at my union.

 

[Hackman]

I pity you.

Again, your anger is not focused on anything but everybody.

I have no wish to be your lighting rod.

So I was correct, you choose to leave AA and take the layoff, your not a martyr. You left to program computers at the Tulsa Wal-Mart or whatever, but you seem to want to come bAAck apparently, with all the time you spend here arguing.

Sadly, I pity you more La Li. Here you are madly arguing with a career field you were never in, with an employer you proudly don't work for any longer. Makes no sense to me, except you must have excessive time to waste. You made the big time La Li, you don't have to be in a pissant UNION anymore.

You are deranged.

 

[Hackman]

The difference between him and me, is he is both angry at his employer and his union. I love my job, SWA, the people I work with, and the one's that work for me, respect me, because I take care of them. I am just pissed at my union.

I called it right previously, your an IGMer company man, a definite Reamster trait. You love SWA management for stalling your pay raise for 6 years, but despise your union for fighting for you. There is a BIG difference between you and me.

Your a suck-up IGMer who lives for his overtime and his money. Nobody respects a brown noser, nobody.

 

[Hackman]

I know what happened to TWA they were IAM they thought their jobs were safe and they were decimated. The resulting legacy was the McCaskill/ Bond act. Most of the employees were stapled on the bottom. Maintenance faired a little better . Unlike the lottery the USair guys were treated fairly because of that legislation. Then St Louis bases and Kansas city became ghost towns. As far as Northwest AMFA knew of the replacement workers and their actions destroyed their members. After studying the TWA situation I now understand why the IAM wanted this Association to make sure their members were not decimated again, like TWA was.

As usual, your got it all twisted in fine Reamster Roy fashion. We rehashed all of this years ago, I guess while you were on your knees in the office begging for your overtime.

Here we go one more time to straighten out your lies.

Lie #1, TWA got screwed. TWA was going into Chapter 7 liquidation. CEO Carty brain trust decided to buy out the whole broke airline for 2 billion. It was a huge mistake, but all the employees got to keep their jobs and even received raises. The company choose to shut down MCIE, after they promised them they would not. The company reneged a few years later after 9/11 and shut the doors anyway. The company did this, not the union, not the employees, the company lied to them. They should have gone Chapt 7, AA didn't need to buy a broke down airline, but Carty's ego to be the largest won out. It's one reason for the massive 2003 TWu concessions, the TWA mistake.

Lie #2, "Most of the employees were stapled on the bottom". Wrong. The F/As at TWA got stapled on the bottom. The pilots, the AMTs, the rampers were not. I'm not going into how the arbitration cases were handled, you can look it up yourself instead of looking uninformed like you seem to do. US Air was a merger, not a buyout.

Lie #3 "AMFA knew of the replacement workers and their actions destroyed their members." AMFA did not know of CEO Steenland plans to recruit scabs and force a Constructive Lockout. (I posted the Minnesota Supreme Court ruling, you didn't read it of course) It wouldn't have mattered if they did know, as NWA management imposed a 50-55% layoff and a 25% pay cut. AMFA took a strike vote at NWA and the members voted 93% to walk out. Of course, there are the weak and scab oriented brown nosers like yourself that think AMFA at NWA should have brought that POS T/A back for a vote.

Lie #4 "I now understand why the IAM wanted this Association to make sure their members were not decimated again, like TWA was." Again Reamster Roy the brown noser, US Air was a merger not a buyout. The AFl-CIo and Trumka got involved with the NMB to save the IAm pension and prevent us from having a vote, that's the reason for the Association. Another industrial union lie. The IAm should have stepped aside like the pilots and the F/A US Air unions had to do, but because the IAmPF is going broke, they were desperate to keep the dues flowing with the NMB and AFl-CIo help.

You keep up the uneducated lies Reamster Roy, and I'll keep killing them with facts and rubbing your brown nose in it.

 

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[bigjets]

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2005-12-30/business/0512300061_1_northwest-airline-picket-lines


There’s a line that said, what makes you think these mechanics can’t be replaced.

Charter members of the AMT think tank. Let’s put it this way, the CEO is replaceable and so are all of us.

 

[Hackman]

 

[Hackman]

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2005-12-30/business/0512300061_1_northwest-airline-picket-lines


There’s a line that said, what makes you think these mechanics can’t be replaced.

Charter members of the AMT think tank. Let’s put it this way, the CEO is replaceable and so are all of us.

When AMFA wanted to strike NWA, they were not allowed to by the NMB if I recall correctly. The company made sure they had the government in their pocket and the scabs in place before the NMB released them.

Steenlands scab program cost the company upwards of $20 million if I recall and the company filed bankruptcy. Now has joined the airline grave yard.

What would be your plan when the company imposes 50-55% layoffs and a 25% pay cut? Just take it right? Cross the picket line as a scab?

Let us know what the Tulsa brain trusts plan would be.