ALPA AAA MEC Thread for 8/10-8/17

[Bear96]

Your animosity towards the opinions of the pilots on this thread is very troubling. Your vendetta against a poster on this board is obvious.

Are you saying my legal analysis of the situation is incorrect? Please be specific as to where my analysis of the Teamsters case was wrong.

Or are you just taking a gratuitous swipe at me? Hmmm, what do the moderators think about such behavior?

I have no inherent animosity towards the East pilots. However, they have an indefensible legal position, and are playing dirty in their efforts to try to squirm out of a binding arbitration decision. It's disgusting, pathetic and embarrassing to watch. There is one loudmouth in particular who is especially out of touch with reality and is proclaiming the East's faulty position over and over, when he clearly has no idea what he is talking about. Seeing such hypocrisy and outright false information being spread bugs me. So I respond.

It would be like me getting on here and arguing with an A320 pilot about some technical aspect of operating the A320. Even though I possess a commercial pilot license to operate small planes, that is fairly meaningless in the airline world. If I were to use my relatively teeny bit of airplane knowledge to say something about A320 operations which is clearly incorrect, yet I insist that I am correct, and a type-rated A320 pilot tells me I am full of it, is that pilot showing "animosity" and a "vendetta" against me?

I feel that you do not serve any purpose but to escalate the tensions that the moderator is trying to correct.

No one here has come even close to escalating tensions the way USA320pilot has. If you are truly concerned with escalating tensions, I trust you have been gravely offended by USA320pilot's posts, and have brought them to the attention of the moderators.

The fact that you are a flight attendant for United makes one wonder your true intent on posting your frequent opinions. When I go nosing around the UAL board I am kicked off, the same should happen to you in this case.

I am not a F/A for UA, although at one point in my life I was.

My current line of work very much involves the types of issues being discussed here. This is why I have been interested in following the events at LCC and speaking up when someone is misstating the law and disregarding the legal process in such a reckless and ignorant manner.

 

[USA320Pilot]

It appears the AWA MEC and their vocal supporters have gone under ground. Where is AWA320, Junebug, Prechillill, etc.? Considering recent exhanges with the AWA MEC and their communications I believe the AWA pilots got the message that their correspondence, email mesages, and posts where increasingy the resolve of the US Airways pilots to never, ever let the Nicolau Award proceed.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[aquagreen73s]

So much good material here!
Speaks for itself.
The Sham & Sham law firm?


I wouldn't hold my breath. But a lawyer has apparently found a big group of relatively well-paid people being guided by anger and emotion, ready to believe anything they are told, and sees a way to keep the legal fees rolling in. You are truly a lawyer's dream client.

BTW, whatever happened to that DC law firm you told us East had retained to resolve this issue?

Apparently, that "group of relatively well-paid people being guided by anger and emotion" had been declined four times by four other firms to take their case before "Sham" stepped up to the plate. Their case is quite a tightrope for any law firm to walk between collecting easy money and being sanctioned.

 

[nostradamus]

Are you saying my legal analysis of the situation is incorrect? Please be specific as to where my analysis of the Teamsters case was wrong.

Or are you just taking a gratuitous swipe at me? Hmmm, what do the moderators think about such behavior?

I have no inherent animosity towards the East pilots. However, they have an indefensible legal position, and are playing dirty in their efforts to try to squirm out of a binding arbitration decision. It's disgusting, pathetic and embarrassing to watch. There is one loudmouth in particular who is especially out of touch with reality and is proclaiming the East's faulty position over and over, when he clearly has no idea what he is talking about. Seeing such hypocrisy and outright false information being spread bugs me. So I respond.



No one here has come even close to escalating tensions the way USA320pilot has. If you are truly concerned with escalating tensions, I trust you have been gravely offended by USA320pilot's posts, and have brought them to the attention of the moderators.
I am not a F/A for UA, although at one point in my life I was.

My current line of work very much involves the types of issues being discussed here. This is why I have been interested in following the events at LCC and speaking up when someone is misstating the law and disregarding the legal process in such a reckless and ignorant manner.

Please go over to the AWA board and help them sir. I stand by my statement, you are out to flame bait and get even with another poster. We would appreciate if you would let us use this tool that the moderator provided.

 

[Bear96]

Please go over to the AWA board and help them sir. I stand by my statement, you are out to flame bait and get even with another poster. We would appreciate if you would let us use this tool that the moderator provided.

So if I understand you correctly, you would rather not know the weaknesses of your case, not be warned when you may be being misled, and only want to be fed what you want to hear?

You are going to base your decisions on information provided by someone who has been consistently wrong over the years?

 

[nostradamus]

So if I understand you correctly, you would rather not know the weaknesses of your case, not be warned when you may be being misled, and only want to be fed what you want to hear?

You are going to base your decisions on information provided by someone who has been consistently wrong over the years?

“I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.â€￾

Edward Gibbon

 

[Piedmont1984]

Aquagreen and Bear96 make some good points from a technical/legal standpoint. What do I know. I am just a line pilot who was absent the day they taught labor case law.

But this is what I think. Not all is won or lost because one side is more in compliance with legal theory or precedent. Has any heard about the O.J. Simpson trial?

And even if the West's position prevails in the various venues this case is being contested, my intuition tells me this will take a very long time to resolve - and I don't mean months.

Time is an ally to the East at this point. The longer we can delay the implementation of this award, the more we mitigate it's effects.

 

[Junebug172]

It appears the AWA MEC and their vocal supporters have gone under ground. Where is AWA320, Junebug, Prechillill, etc.? Considering recent exhanges with the AWA MEC and their communications I believe the AWA pilots got the message that their correspondence, email mesages, and posts where increasingy the resolve of the US Airways pilots to never, ever let the Nicolau Award proceed.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Oh, I'm here you idiot. I just got off of a 4-day and didn't have internet access the last two days.

During my trip, I had the opportunity to fly 3 jumpseaters to PHL and I had a great conversation with one of your west coast commuters. I asked all of them about you and your writings. Here's what I got:

1. No one likes you
2. No one respects you
3. You're a moron
4. You don't know what you're talking about
5. You are a broken and cowardly old man

So, I take that long post as nothing but blather. I was told that you submitted work to U-Turn which I expected since you and the "editor" are pretty much cut from the same cloth. All that fell on deaf ears and did nothing but help discredit that rag even more - for that I thank you.

So to all that read USA320Pilots crap I tell you this - its all crap. His peers don't respect him and he's laughed at by his own pilots.

And I'm senior to him!!!

 

[Junebug172]

“I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.â€￾

Edward Gibbon

Nos,

That was one of your finest posts.

 

[Bear96]

But this is what I think. Not all is won or lost because one side is more in compliance with legal theory or precedent. Has any heard about the O.J. Simpson trial?

The OJ trial is an interesting comparison.

The outcome of the OJ trial was indeed in compliance with the legal theory and precedent that says the appropriate decision-making body (jury or arbitration panel) has the final say in disputes submitted to it -- except in some exceedingly narrow circumstances -- no matter how outrageous its decision might seem to some.

In other ways, of course, it is not at all a valid comparison.

 

[nostradamus]

Nos,

That was one of your finest posts.

Your the only one I have made an exception to this rule in the past.

 

[EastUS]

The OJ trial is an interesting comparison.

The outcome of the OJ trial was indeed in compliance with the legal theory and precedent that says the appropriate decision-making body (jury or arbitration panel) has the final say in disputes submitted to it -- except in some exceedingly narrow circumstances -- no matter how outrageous its decision might seem to some.

In other ways, of course, it is not at all a valid comparison.

Point made then = Take anything to court, wrap it up with a sufficent supply of lawyers/judges/etc...and ANYTHING is truly possible, despite any and all protestations to the contrary, or "bet hedging" via precedence

The only thing currently "certain" as per ongoing/future litigation on the Nic business...is that no one can be certain as to the outcome of any such...except that it'll burn clock time at the very least.

 

[nycbusdriver]

So to all that read USA320Pilots crap I tell you this - its all crap. His peers don't respect him and he's laughed at by his own pilots.

For those who were denizens of the USAirways Board before it was combined with the America West Board, this was obvious. You should have been here during the Wolf, Gangwal and Siegel days.

You have to admit that he has tenacity, though, and a teflon-coated ego

 

[dariencc]

You have to admit that he has tenacity, though, and a teflon-coated ego

Could be Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

 

[EastUS]

Could be Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

A fairly common problem with ALPAoids....