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ALPA AAA MEC Thread for 8/10-8/17

Hey triumph,

I put this out a while back but got no takers. I'll throw it too you now.

5 grand says the east votes to decertify ALPA. We'll find a neutral to hold our funds and then each mail that neutral a cashiers check for the 5 grand. Once the vote is counted the winner will get both checks from the neutral.

This is a big boys game though. I know you think the east are little children so you are going to have to play with this little child if you have the balls. My guess is you don't. Let me help you just to make sure you are going into this with your eyes open and your emotions in check.

My seniority number is north of 50. I personally know almost all 500 guys who "weren't affected" by Nic. That happens after 30 plus years at the airline. At least 85-95% of those have filled out and turned in their cards. One of the guys at the point of the organization drive is senior to me. I also know a substantial number of guys below 500. Been flying with them all my life. I think you probably know whether or not they have their cards turned in.

So what do you say Big Boy? You seem to think you have a handle on us "little boys". If you'd like to raise the stakes higher I'd be happy to oblige that too. 5 grand says we are going to go our own way. Just like you.

pilot
 
Want to start a pool? :lol:

Not particularly. However I think your USAPA fling will ultimately fail. Just an opinion...

Why is it you guys want ALPA off the property? I believe this is just another example of the east blaming everyone or everything else for their poor decisions.

LOA 93: You guys voted it in... Not ALPA.

Arbitration award: You guys volunteered (I have to assume you or your leadership understood the potential consequences)... ALPA did not force you into it.

Keep it up kids. It really makes you look like men...


Good day little children...
 
Hey triumph,

I put this out a while back but got no takers. I'll throw it too you now.

5 grand says the east votes to decertify ALPA. We'll find a neutral to hold our funds and then each mail that neutral a cashiers check for the 5 grand. Once the vote is counted the winner will get both checks from the neutral.

This is a big boys game though. I know you think the east are little children so you are going to have to play with this little child if you have the balls. My guess is you don't. Let me help you just to make sure you are going into this with your eyes open and your emotions in check.

My seniority number is north of 50. I personally know almost all 500 guys who "weren't affected" by Nic. That happens after 30 plus years at the airline. At least 85-95% of those have filled out and turned in their cards. One of the guys at the point of the organization drive is senior to me. I also know a substantial number of guys below 500. Been flying with them all my life. I think you probably know whether or not they have their cards turned in.

So what do you say Big Boy? You seem to think you have a handle on us "little boys". If you'd like to raise the stakes higher I'd be happy to oblige that too. 5 grand says we are going to go our own way. Just like you.

pilot


I think you should save that "5 grand" and use it to try and make up some of what you lost in retirement. But then thats just me...

Wow! North of 50! Can I have your autograph? You "personally know almost all 500 guys!" That's impressive... I guess... 🙄

I say start it up brother! Let's just see how many cards you boys have. Of course I feel compelled to tell you that there may be undesirable consequences if you do. Ya know like the consequences of forcing BINDING ARBITRATION!

Hey before I forget to mention it... I'd like to let you know about a confidential program available to all employees. It's called the EAP (Employee Assistance Program). The company put this program in place for things such as drug and alcohol addiction. And you'll be pleased to know that it covers addiction to gambling as well. I didn't want to bring it up in such a public forum but I want you to know that I think you have a problem. Ya know with all your wagers and everything...


Good day little children...
 
Didn't think so.

Name calling and insults. And we are the "little children?"

pilot
 
Hey triumph,

This is a big boys game though. I know you think the east are little children so you are going to have to play with this little child if you have the balls. My guess is you don't.

So what do you say Big Boy?


pilot

Yep name calling and insults. A page taken from your playbook friend...


Good day little children...
 
MEC CODE-A-PHONE UPDATE
August 15, 2007



This is Arnie Gentile with a US Airways MEC update for Wednesday, August 15th, with one new item.

The MEC met today in Washington DC for an MEC Special Meeting that among other agenda items, dealt with the issue of discriminating B-Scale wages paid to the East Pilots. Effective immediately, members of the JNC are reassigned back to Negotiating Committee duties, and they will not reengage in Joint Contract Negotiations until the US Airways Pilots are provided parity with our Brother and Sister pilots at America West. Furthermore, the resolution calls for retro active pay for all US Airways pilots which will take affect starting September 1, 2007, including a fair interest charge of 8% that will be calculated onto any future agreements.

MEC Chairman Captain Jack Stephan will record a Chairman’s message to the pilots that will discuss Pay discrimination, B-Scale wages on our property. Other resolutions passed direct the MEC Officers to approach ALPA International concerning MCF funding for our battle to achieve equal pay and also for the acceptance of LOA 97 involving Shuttle Pilot’s retirement contributions.

Resolutions from today’s meeting will be posted in What’s New and emailed to all pilots.

Is Dougwiser shaking in his boots now and are all the East pilots throwing out their USAPA cards?
 
US Airways ALPA MEC Chairman's Message - August 15, 2007

This is MEC Chairman Jack Stephan with a Chairman’s message to the pilots for Wednesday, August 15, 2007.

During our second quarter MEC meeting on June 14th, the MEC unanimously passed a resolution demanding pay increases in order to obtain pay parity with the higher AWA pilot rate. That resolution also reactivated the Strike Prep Committee to help with activities that we plan to use to achieve equal pay for equal work. The Negotiating Committee was then directed to engage the Company in discussions for equal pay, which resulted with the parity pay proposals submitted to management on June 28th. Just recently, during LCC’s second quarter earnings web cast, Doug Parker stated that paying your employees the same wages for doing the same job is the right thing to do, and has indicated that money has already been budgeted for that purpose.

Today, your MEC passed a resolution that once and for all draws a line in the sand concerning the equal pay issue. Effective immediately, members of the JNC are reassigned back to Negotiating Committee duties, and they will not reengage in Joint Contract Negotiations until the US Airways Pilots are provided pay parity with our Brother and Sister pilots at America West. Furthermore, the resolution calls for retro active pay for all US Airways pilots which will take affect starting September 1, 2007, including a fair interest charge of 8% that will be calculated onto any future agreements.

On September 27, it will be two years since US Airways emerged from its second bankruptcy and merged with America West. The profits Doug Parker enjoys and shares with the entire company are generated directly on our backs. It’s time to level the playing field for those pilots most responsible for our profitability.

Another resolution passed today directs the MEC officers to meet initially with ALPA International and request the release of the US Airways MEC’s portion of the MCF funds with an updated time line for their use, so as to mutually achieve the goals of both the AAA MEC and all ALPA pilots by raising the bar of the lowest pay rate. These funds in the past were used by the US Airways MEC in support of Joint Negotiations.

Our number one goal has not changed, our strategy concerning the Nicolau award is in place and underway. However, we must refocus on getting returns for our pilots. Communications and Strike Prep will be working together, but it will be our pilots who ultimately supple the wherewithal to bring an end to pay discrimination and B-Scale wages. So stay informed and stand by for our request for your participation in helping us achieve what is rightly ours. As always, we can not be successful without you on board.

For now, fly safe, follow the three prong approach, and thanks for listening.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Resolution passed 08-15-07

WHEREAS this September will mark two years since the merger between US Airways and America West Airlines, and

WHEREAS US Airways management has benefited from scope relief granted by the US Airways pilots allowing the use of the US Airways marketing identity on America West flights for nearly two years, and

WHEREAS there has been little substantial economic progress made during Joint Negotiations for both pilot groups, and

WHEREAS there has been a disparity of pay between the pilot groups since the onset of the US Airways and America West merger, and

WHEREAS this disparity between the two pilot groups has increased due to the recalling of US Airways furloughed pilots that are not at top of scale, and

WHEREAS the America West Pilots received the support of the US Airways pilots in dealings with management that culminated in the America West pilots successfully achieving substantial gains in the areas of Defined Contribution Retirement Plan and Corporate Profit Sharing Plan, and

WHEREAS since the US Airways and America West Merger, management has seen fit to grant other employees pay and parity raises throughout the corporation, and

WHEREAS US Airways management continues to reward themselves with lucrative compensation packages, and

WHEREAS the profits are reported separately for US Airways and America West by the company, and they indicate an extreme disproportionate profit generated from the East operation resulting in East profits disportionately funding items such as West profit sharing plans, other employee raises and executive compensation packages and

WHEREAS the Transition Agreement envisioned substantial progress being made by June of 2006, and

WHEREAS Management has intentionally manipulated the timeline and slowed the progress of the JNC process, in particular during it's ill conceived hostile takeover attempt of Delta Airlines, and

WHEREAS during that failed Delta Airline Takeover attempt, management clearly promised that all pilots would be brought up to the highest contract of the three pilot groups, and

WHEREAS CEO Doug Parker on July 26, 2007 during the 2nd Quarter Report publicly stated that US Airways has already budgeted 122 million dollars for 2007 and beyond for the assumed cost of matching US Airways pilots pay with America West pilot pay plus an additional three percent, and

WHEREAS also during this same public forum CEO Doug Parker declared that employees performing the same work should be paid at the same level of pay, and

WHEREAS the expense of continued fruitless negotiation is not in the best interest of the US Airways East pilots.

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the AAA MEC immediately reassign our members of the JNC back to Negotiating Committee duties, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that our members of the JNC will not reengage in Joint Contract Negotiations until the US Airways Pilots are provided parity with our Brother and Sister pilots at America West, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that parity is defined as pay as put forth to the company in our June 28th proposal, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED That retro pay for all US Airways pilots will take affect starting September 1, 2007, including a fair interest charge of 8% that will be calculated onto any future agreements, and

THEREFORE BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that the US Airways MEC authorizes a media campaign, including but not limited to informational picketing and other forms of lawful demonstrations, in order to inform the traveling public of the un-American pay discrimination that the professional union pilots at US Airways have been enduring for the last two years.
 
I think you should save that "5 grand" and use it to try and make up some of what you lost in retirement. But then thats just me...

Wow! North of 50! Can I have your autograph? You "personally know almost all 500 guys!" That's impressive... I guess... 🙄

I say start it up brother! Let's just see how many cards you boys have. Of course I feel compelled to tell you that there may be undesirable consequences if you do. Ya know like the consequences of forcing BINDING ARBITRATION!

Hey before I forget to mention it... I'd like to let you know about a confidential program available to all employees. It's called the EAP (Employee Assistance Program). The company put this program in place for things such as drug and alcohol addiction. And you'll be pleased to know that it covers addiction to gambling as well. I didn't want to bring it up in such a public forum but I want you to know that I think you have a problem. Ya know with all your wagers and everything...
Good day little children...

OK..That's just ENOUGH:

quote name='Tiger 1050' "Keep it up kids. It really makes you look like men..." Given that you're young...it's understandable that you're so concerned with looking like a man, rather than being one but: Hmmm.. evading direct, and honorable challenges makes you look like..well...YOU..and you've my fullest sympathy therein😉 My earlier wager's always open: Be the first on the AWA block to humiliate an evil, and antique Eastie in the sky...be a hero to your pathetic "Righteous Position"...pick up the gauntlet😉

Fully figures that your response would be such. You run your mouth, throw out condescending insults, claim flying skill, and other imaginary competence on your part....and..as is the standard AWA style for it's "Tigers"...immediately run to momma/slither back under a keyboard, when called out at any level. "Conversation" with your sorts amounts to tolerating the yapping of tiny dogs that bark, then immediately run under the nearest couch...still yapping away. You pathetic little puppies just flat-out make me sick. Take your "Good day little children.." to your shaving mirror...if you actually need and use one that is.

"Tiger" ..."I didn't want to bring it up in such a public forum but I want you to know that I think you have a problem." I don't know that any company program's in place that would help anyone who's lack of a spine and a pair places stress in their lives though. Try Dr Phil or Oprah...perhaps they can offer up some "nurturing" for your issues. Failing any interest from them? = You could always seek out AWA320 and the like for a "group hug".

Should you ever choose to wonder at why I find your net name so charmingly "pwecious"...try reading an old "textbook"; "Every Man a Tiger"...and no; it's not about some half-azzed toy motorcycle😉


The good thing I see coming from the Nic fiasco is that it seems highly unlikely that I'll ever be stuck with any of your sorts in "my" cockpit, in any seat other than the jump.
 
This is by far the absolute dumbest move yet!! Complete violation of the transition agreement wow! Oh well I can't wait to see the fall out from this one.

TDY in the east on the way!!
 
This is by far the absolute dumbest move yet!! Complete violation of the transition agreement wow! Oh well I can't wait to see the fall out from this one.

TDY in the east on the way!!

"TDY in the east on the way!!"


Goody :lol: I think the local regions place the bag limit at at least four :up: Just kidding; I've a weakness when helpless, dumb animals are concened.....

"The good thing I see coming from the Nic fiasco is that it seems highly unlikely that I'll ever be stuck with any of your sorts in "my" cockpit, in any seat other than the jump."
 
"The good thing I see coming from the Nic fiasco is that it seems highly unlikely that I'll ever be stuck with any of your sorts in "my" cockpit, in any seat other than the jump."
What's up grampy!?!?!? Metamucil not kicking in?
 
What's up grampy!?!?!? Metamucil not kicking in?

Nope: Just fully, finally, and forever sick of little smarmy westies with big mouths, no guts, and nothing to offer.

"The good thing I see coming from the Nic fiasco is that it seems highly unlikely that I'll ever be stuck with any of your sorts in "my" cockpit, in any seat other than the jump."
 

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