American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[lax]

I just learned some disturbing news about exactly why we are at a standstill. And to think both CB and Rez continue to butter the ball of all of us, they have fooled everyone on here. This may not have come to be a big surprise to many but, the truth of the matter is that the IAM, is holding up the wheels progress. With 6 negotiators on each side, there is one one to break a tie. Because the IAM feel no love for this concessionaire contract. Namely the medical. I for one couldn’t care less weather the membership at LUS keep it or not. The membership did strike gold when the merger was announced and have have enjoyed that benefits of that longer than the LAA side, now that our pay has been increased, we at LAA still haven’t all the other financial benefits that LUS have been getting all this time. A compromise would be let the folks at LUS continue to enjoy the medical, for the same amount of time we have been deprived of that nice double time and half. Don’t trust what the association is telling you, it’s a lie, and don’t trust a word from any IAM member claiming to be in the know.

Go back and read any of my posts regarding these clowns rez and cb. I called them from day one. old news!

 

[P. REZ]

I just learned some disturbing news about exactly why we are at a standstill. And to think both CB and Rez continue to butter the ball of all of us, they have fooled everyone on here. This may not have come to be a big surprise to many but, the truth of the matter is that the IAM, is holding up the wheels progress. With 6 negotiators on each side, there is one one to break a tie. Because the IAM feel no love for this concessionaire contract. Namely the medical. I for one couldn’t care less weather the membership at LUS keep it or not. The membership did strike gold when the merger was announced and have have enjoyed that benefits of that longer than the LAA side, now that our pay has been increased, we at LAA still haven’t all the other financial benefits that LUS have been getting all this time. A compromise would be let the folks at LUS continue to enjoy the medical, for the same amount of time we have been deprived of that nice double time and half. Don’t trust what the association is telling you, it’s a lie, and don’t trust a word from any IAM member claiming to be in the know.

Mark my words, pain will occur with the company offer from job loss, Full time to part time, better profit sharing at UA/DL, loss of pension, loss of LUS insurance, etc. This continues to be a cost negative/neutral contract offer.

P. Rez

 

[Traymark]

Ok, your words are marked, now put it up for a vote. If it's that bad, you'll have even more leverage with a healthy no vote.

 

[lax]

It seems at face value to lean disproportionately towards the TWU side?

Weasel wth do you care? If you love the IAM so much go pull their pants down and go to work, if you haven't already. Matter fact, transfer to clt and go work for damn usair. I can admit that you bring out some good points from time to time but the reality is that you are a damn traitor and could care less about your own guys. This merger hasn't done chit for LAA because these clowns like rez and cb and whoever else are making decisions they have no business making. Then you show up cheerleading them on like you at the damn yankees game. They are all IGMers and don't give 2 chits about you or anything AA. so the first chance I get to vote rez and his posse off the island i'm going to do it with pleasure. their catering, their medical and whatever else will go up in smoke because none of them ever felt any remorse for holding AAers hostage. to hell with em'...cant wait to see rez actually lifting a damn bag for a change lol, cuz he has no business negotiating anything for anyone!

 

[P. REZ]

Weasel wth do you care? If you love the IAM so much go pull their pants down and go to work, if you haven't already. Matter fact, transfer to clt and go work for damn usair. I can admit that you bring out some good points from time to time but the reality is that you are a damn traitor and could care less about your own guys. This merger hasn't done chit for LAA because these clowns like rez and cb and whoever else are making decisions they have no business making. Then you show up cheerleading them on like you at the damn yankees game. They are all IGMers and don't give 2 chits about you or anything AA. so the first chance I get to vote rez and his posse off the island i'm going to do it with pleasure. their catering, their medical and whatever else will go up in smoke because none of them ever felt any remorse for holding AAers hostage. to hell with em'...cant wait to see rez actually lifting a damn bag for a change lol, cuz he has no business negotiating anything for anyone!

Smdh, this isn't about IAM vs. TWU, we are fighting for all. Mark my words, you will regret this pos offer from the company.

P. Rez

 

[lax]

Smdh, this isn't about IAM vs. TWU, we are fighting for all. Mark my words, you will regret this pos offer from the company.

P. Rez

I can say with confidence that you SIR are a liar! you don't and haven't represented anything AA. and if you'd like any of us (other than Weasel} to believe your bs then my challenge to you is to RESIGN as a good faith first step.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Mark my words, pain will occur with the company offer from job loss, Full time to part time, better profit sharing at UA/DL, loss of pension, loss of LUS insurance, etc. This continues to be a cost negative/neutral contract offer.

P. Rez

"Mark my words" you words are meaningless here, I have come to an affinity, let this go to sections 6, because I will enjoy getting the same offer seeing the reaction on all the faces of the LUS when health, catering and maybe a few other goodies are ripped from their collective white knuckled death grip. I do have to place some blame on the TWU also, because they are also withholding the truth also. Not disclosing that the two sides are at a impasse, and a few other things.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Hey Rez, where is your buddy CB, man he hasn't been here in a long time giving his pep talk, hummm I wounder why?

 

[P. REZ]

I can say with confidence that you SIR are a liar! you don't and haven't represented anything AA. and if you'd like any of us to believe your bs then my challenge to you is to RESIGN as a good faith first step.

Again, 3-5 years from now, if this were passed, you wouldn't be able to find a yes vote.

P. Rez

 

[CremaDiLimone]

You caught pretty much how I saw that. To me it it confirms that AA needs to get these deals done so they can begin to synergize and whittle the numbers down some. You get some of those buyouts done Companywide and that number may drop by 10 to $20,000?

And yea I saw Adam wrote another Nuclear Bomb against AA. Your Local even posted it on their Facebook page for cripes sake???? Sigh.

that $65k may be a king's ransom in birmingham, ala...but i find it unrealistic if you're under 65/health care and if aa truly wants the dead weight to go away, i believe they will be somewhat disappointed.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

"i guess aa's cash on hand doesn't count and dl and ua get free jet fuel."

AAL has about 6 Billion CASH on Hand. Keep in mind they filed for Chapter 11 in 2011 with between 4 and 5 Billion CASH on Hand.

Higher fuel cost combined at the same time they have 3 billion in debt and 1 billion in pension obligations due in the next 18 months COULD eat up the spare cash pretty quick.

I'm not saying that AAL is definitely filing C11 in the next 18 months BUT could find itself in a serious financial bind much quicker than DAL.

that's right, aa has some $6 billion in their pocket..and also committed another $2 billion to stock repurchases (now-2020) that they can cancel. aa could also issue shares if they wanted to raise capital. aa could issue another 1.4 billion shares, if they so desired/needed. i believe the company is allowed 1.950 billion shares/authorized capital stock.

in the following 18 months, how much will aa earn? another $3-$3.5-$4 billion? ok...

how much cash does dl have on hand and in spite of the low number, why did they give most of their employees a 3% raise?? delta didn't know that oil has been trending up?

i get the gist of what you're saying...once the company froze everyone's pensions, their future looked brighter than our's.

 

[lax]

Again, 3-5 years from now, if this were passed, you wouldn't be able to find a yes vote.

P. Rez

my comments are not about whether this proposal/offer is good or bad. they're about people like you who try to pretend that you have AAers best interest, when the fact is that you don't. Sir, I have two degrees and 6 houses. At this point in my life I have a sneaking suspicion that I can decipher between reality and being hustled/bs. you SIR are nothing more than a street hustler imho and I can't wait until you and your crew are voted out of here for good!

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Ok but don’t you also see how they’re trying to pit us against each other?

I didn’t read Catering taken back off the table?
No changes to the Medical ask?
No change to the IAMPF ask?

Obviously we need to also monitor that PT language and is “When and where so directed” still in any ask?

to me, the company is getting close, i wanted $32.50/hr not counting differential, looks like we'll be around there with differential...not a fan of contracting out lavs and need more info on the evil empire's PT scheme. they want a system-wide 60%-40% blend FT/PT for all fleet service?

i also do not like aa's $3k for everyone. i prefer some fscs getting $5k and other fscs getting $1k. sorry, but you'll make it up and more after i'm long gone.

i didn't know that ua & dl were already at double time for any overtime worked? this is huge for some...i'm thinking the company could be giggling about deicing and overtime and then a city will step in and tell aa that the city will deice at city pads.

talking to people today, this seems to be a winner for the company. looks like TOS will be around $35.25...for me, close, but no cigar.

 

[AANOTOK]

Smdh, this isn't about IAM vs. TWU, we are fighting for all. Mark my words, you will regret this pos offer from the company.

P. Rez

Let the members decide, not the Association.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Mark my words, pain will occur with the company offer from job loss, Full time to part time, better profit sharing at UA/DL, loss of pension, loss of LUS insurance, etc. This continues to be a cost negative/neutral contract offer.

P. Rez

i'm willing to listen to your arguments, with actual numbers. i've asked how much is our current package worth/recent 1st package & now 2nd package offered by company/money aa will save by imposing laa insurance on lus. if you're correct, the numbers will embarrass the company and those who are arguing with you right now...including some that wanted to take the company's first propaganda proposal.

i'm not arrogant enough to believe you have to respond to me, but, when laa posters see you battle tim nelson over iam history or talk about america west days, you're tuning out laa posters when you don't talk about actual numbers.

the company threw protocol out the window by bypassing you and coming straight to me. you need to embarrass the company with numbers. if the company saves $60 million over 4 years by imposing laa insurance on lus, where is aa making up much of that difference? if they are not, you need to spell it out.

if not, you'll get more and more criticism (rightly or wrongly) for monkeying up the works.