American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

It was a large error by the TWU to get in this Association. Unions are to look after the best interests of their members. The TWU did not. The Association was such an obvious negative for the TWU . How they agreed to it is astonishing. And no vote or say from the membership to boot. You can not blame the IAM for looking out for their members. You can blame the TWU for not.

See Crema. Here’s a cat who wishes that we had squashed them like Bugs.

It would be so nice if once and for all a thread could be started where all of us could focus on so many issues back in the past that we could bicker back and forth on it all until they finally plow us 6 Feet under. Let’s call that thread.

“The Rear View Mirror”

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Crema I think in terms of Human Nature. I personally think it’s natural for our nature to want or need to feel superior to others. So yes I do believe there are far too many TWU members who would have no problem if they had been squashed like a bug.

so, charles darwin as union president and dr. mengele as vice-president?

you could be right.

i don't feel that i'm a pesticide if i don't want the union to make a stand on lus insurance.

would it be fair for a lus/iam guy to want compensation back for losing their insurance solely in the form of more money for their pension, to deny laa/twu members compensation for their exclusive loss?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

It was a large error by the TWU to get in this Association. Unions are to look after the best interests of their members. The TWU did not. The Association was such an obvious negative for the TWU . How they agreed to it is astonishing. And no vote or say from the membership to boot. You can not blame the IAM for looking out for their members. You can blame the TWU for not.

exactly and i blamed the twu. i also blamed little for not making a deal with the iam in regards to seniority issues, prior to the assoc. forming.

i'm not any kind of twu union official, but the way i heard it explained...it was shady/middle of the night stuff and not beneficial to twu members.

 

[Talos]

The only reason people (TWU side) really hate the Association is because without it they feel they could have taken any issues that the now former IAM Members had and squashed them like little Bugs.

They hate the fact that the so called minority get to have their voices both heard and counted in this process and it drives the Big Bullies just flat out nuts.

I think most dislike the Association cause it was designed to fail. It's not about squashing people. If there was a vote on which union to choose, either way both groups would have been much better off in the long run than they were when AA filed for bankruptcy.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I won’t judge you saying how the IAM guys can be torn and ripped from THEIR Medical plans or costs. I’m sure there’s been plenty of Conversations on the Medical made way above our heads already.

parker spoke about it in the past tense while speaking in the present tense on video.

 

[WeAAsles]

so, charles darwin as union president and dr. mengele as vice-president?

you could be right.

i don't feel that i'm a pesticide if i don't want the union to make a stand on lus insurance.

would it be fair for a lus/iam guy to want compensation back for losing their insurance solely in the form of more money for their pension, to deny laa/twu members compensation for their exclusive loss?

Crema my response to your post was because it was very good and I was adding to it. I wasn’t accusing you of being one of the Bug squashers per se.

If all of us were to be completely honest we would admit that we want what’s best for US and could give a rats ass about anyone else. Again that’s Human Nature.

But in a Union collective we always have to try and figure out how to reach what’s best for the majority over our own unique individual desires.

“The Balance”

 

[WeAAsles]

exactly and i blamed the twu. i also blamed little for not making a deal with the iam in regards to seniority issues, prior to the assoc. forming.

i'm not any kind of twu union official, but the way i heard it explained...it was shady/middle of the night stuff and not beneficial to twu members.

“Rear View Mirror”

 

[CremaDiLimone]

As I see it there are still unanswered issues for both sides that make accepting a deal yet unacceptable for Fleet.

The Part Time question.
Station Staffing and reopening lost cities.
Catering.
“When and where so directed” attached to SCOPE.
Medical costs for all Association Members.
A Cap on Medical cost rise.
IAMPF.

Not to mention the biggest unanswered issue of all.

Our Negotiators haven’t even received proposals for any of the “testers” the Company put out yet?

that's why most come to post? after 2+ years of sifting, these are the issues facing us.

 

[WeAAsles]

I think most dislike the Association cause it was designed to fail. It's not about squashing people. If there was a vote on which union to choose, either way both groups would have been much better off in the long run than they were when AA filed for bankruptcy.

“Rear View Mirror”

But BTW honestly I could care less if we have an Association or not or if they LOVE or HATE each other.

All I care about is that they eventually get me a good Contract with the Airline and again after that people can bicker till the Cows come home for all I’ll care.

 

[WeAAsles]

that's why most come to post? after 2+ years of sifting, these are the issues facing us.

That’s fine what the half dozen to a dozen of us want to write and post here. But I don’t think at the end of the day what any of us write here really matter for a hill of Garbanzo beans.

I don’t know for a certainty what the intentions of the Company are with the outstanding issues? What the intentions are for Alex Garcia, Sito Pantoja, Mays, Peterson down the line to the Presidents and AGC’s on accepting something before “maybe” stepping in to RLA Section 6 and ultimately I don’t know what the intentions of the Members would be if something were accepted to be voted on?

I have my opinions but opinions are like A Holes right?

 

[Racer X]

exactly and i blamed the twu. i also blamed little for not making a deal with the iam in regards to seniority issues, prior to the assoc. forming.

i'm not any kind of twu union official, but the way i heard it explained...it was shady/middle of the night stuff and not beneficial to twu members.

What kind of deal on seniority? A deal that benefited the TWU members? How about if he made a deal that screwed all TWU? How would you feel then? Moreover......
Why do you think the IAM would capitulate?

 

[WeAAsles]

What kind of deal on seniority? A deal that benefited the TWU members? How about if he made a deal that screwed all TWU? How would you feel then? Moreover......
Why do you think the IAM would capitulate?

Crema originally worked in a different job function at AA where he was not able to carry his seniority over with him and considers that to still be an ongoing mistake.

 

[ALUS78]

Two degrees and six houses yet working for AA??? Hmmmmmmmm

The degrees were burns, he was an apprentice under Bob

 

[CremaDiLimone]

What kind of deal on seniority? A deal that benefited the TWU members? How about if he made a deal that screwed all TWU? How would you feel then? Moreover......
Why do you think the IAM would capitulate?

racer x, it looks like your running laps today at the us grand prix in texas when the race is today in indianapolis.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Crema originally worked in a different job function at AA where he was not able to carry his seniority over with him and considers that to still be an ongoing mistake.

and to think, i suggested that maybe the iam wouldn't be out of line wanting compensation, say..$2.00/hr more for their pension in exchange for their insurance?

that way, they can keep the perceived compensation out of the bullies' compensation package?