American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Racer X]

I 100% interpret BASIC CLASSIFICATION to mean either Full Time or Part Time with no distinction. And I’m 100% positive that’s exactly what the Company means.

One only needs to read the definition of the word “Basic” to understand the meaning.

Agree....thanks

 

[swamt]

"IAM is ABSOLUTELY pulling for SCOPE."

Completely Disagree. Where was the LUS -IAM at last year when the TWU was doing information picketing concerning the Outsourcing of Our Jobs.

In fact the only IAM support I saw at DFW was the General Dynamics Lodge 776 . [No LUS-IAM to be found]

Yea, I didn't see any IAM'ers there to show support and they were invited, but, no shows. The TWU will remember...

 

[Racer X]

I guess it still needs to be repeated:
NONE of us voted for our current representation : The Association.
That is at the root of the problem.

They point is quite simple.... IAM voted their reps in and TWU voted their reps in...TOGETHER they make up the reps for the association. Whether you like it or not, that is the only point that matters NOW. And they have EVERY RIGHT to be there.

 

[MetalMover]

No Business negotiating???
You do realize they were elected to represent their members don’t you?

You had a chance to vote for the association? Ii didn't!

 

[Traymark]

They point is quite simple.... IAM voted their reps in and TWU voted their reps in...TOGETHER they make up the reps for the association. Whether you like it or not, that is the only point that matters NOW. And they have EVERY RIGHT to be there.

There are many of us that disagree with you on that, to put your head in the sand and think it isn't so, again, it's at the root of the problem.
Our negotiating committee would have a much stronger hand if they were duly voted in by the membership as a whole.
The company knows they are dealing with a fractured membership and will continue to take full advantage of it until the full membership send the message that it's not acceptable.
The only way to do that is to vote.
Voting is liberating.
United voted down their first TA, overwhelmingly. They got a better deal.
Don't fear the democratic process.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

"‍‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‍In an effort to address those concerns, this week we proactively proposed adjustments to our March comprehensive to the Association. These changes are intended to further increase wages, guarantee we continue to insource more maintenance and fleet service work than anyone else in the industry, and ensure that everyone who has a job today will continue to have a job at their station in their BASIC classification."

"‍‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‍Station protection systemwide – Job protection is key and we have also adjusted the comprehensive proposal so that no one will have to move as a result of the new agreement. If you have a job in your station today, you’ll have a job in your station tomorrow."

Now, those are 2 quotes from the company letter above, I have to ask you if you believe that if they cut 25% flying to or from a station or used the 40% PT provision, if an employee working in one of those stations, wouldn't be forced to transfer to hold FT or even PT?

P. Rez

dunno because I havent seen the language. Sounds like they are keeping our no displacement language and expanding it. Sounds pretty damn good. Unfortunately there is prolly a date or some negative attachment, dunno.
And I fully support the 401k idea over this IAM Pension but we need more than 5% base.

 

[Tim Nelson]

There are many of us that disagree with you on that, to put your head in the sand and think it isn't so, again, it's at the root of the problem.
Our negotiating committee would have a much stronger hand if they were duly voted in by the membership as a whole.
The company knows they are dealing with a fractured membership and will continue to take full advantage of it until the full membership send the message that it's not acceptable.
The only way to do that is to vote.
Voting is liberating.
United voted down their first TA, overwhelmingly. They got a better deal.
Don't fear the democratic process.

the negotiating committee isnt even in negotiations and im not sure why we even need them. They also are not members of the association and have zero authority. They are only there for cosmetic appearance. Period.
They themselves get everything second hand.
Nobody has ever voted upon the association members who have authority in our talks.

 

[Racer X]

"IAM is ABSOLUTELY pulling for SCOPE."

Completely Disagree. Where was the LUS -IAM at last year when the TWU was doing information picketing concerning the Outsourcing of Our Jobs.

In fact the only IAM support I saw at DFW was the General Dynamics Lodge 776 . [No LUS-IAM to be found]

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Put existing proposal to a vote and let's guess what the outcome would be. My money is on the sub par proposal passes and ALL of us are stuck with it! Some more than others. The process for an agreement remains at the bargaining table. We are represented employees. I would like to see the collective bargaining process followed. Shame on the company for trying to side step the collective bargaining process. Shows how determined they are to fast track this proposal. Should make all wonder why. Both parties need to get back to the table IMO. Let me know when a TA has been reached by both parties. Until then... let's play by the rules AA

ORGAC is 100% correct! Anyone that is advocating for the circumvention of the Negotiations Team is NOT supporting the democratic process...
They are supporting the DIVIDE AND CONQUER strategy set forth to pit the two combined groups, and their representation leadership AGAIST each other...

Statements like "Let's bring this thing to a vote" are exactly what the Company wants. This speaks volumes about the poster, and their motives!

>SPIT<

 

[737823]

Josh
Others are saying you don’t even work for AA and that you are a banker or something......
Do you work for AA? If you do....I welcome your input and believe you have the right to state your opinions.
If you are NOT an AA employee , then why do you believe you should be posting here or why anyone should value your opinions?

I don’t currently work for AA or in the airline industry.

Josh

 

[Matt1200]

I was looking at the latest proposal by the company. I think if the company would increase the signing bonus that it will pass. Im curious what the union is going to come back with after the June 11 and 12th meeting.

 

[AANOTOK]

American did not create the division, they are only taking advantage of it. The division started from day one when the Association was announced as our representative. It has only gotten worse when it was obvious the Association wasn’t prepared for negotiations, started sending out generic updates and did not and has not responded to AA’s full court press. When members of the NC say section 6 is an absolute, maybe rose colored glasses are so dark they are blinding. Who has motives??

 

[PIEDMONT784]

I was looking at the latest proposal by the company. I think if the company would increase the signing bonus that it will pass. Im curious what the union is going to come back with after the June 11 and 12th meeting.

What you are indicating is that the NC/Association can be bypassed, and that a little over 50% of the Membership can be BRIBED to accept an agreement that will eventually reduce headcount, and thus leverage in future negotiations...

The current dynamic with two groups that operated under entirely different cultures is a godsend to the Company. All they have to do is convince a little over 50% of the Membership to vote for an agreement that will not benefit the remaining portion.

Since LAA culture is large enough to accomplish this goal, all the Co. needs to do is to break-up any solidarity between the two. Once this is done -- BINGO, they get a cost neutral contract that will become cost positive as time progresses!

That is of course if Divide and Conquer prevails...

 

[NYer]

American did not create the division, they are only taking advantage of it. The division started from day one when the Association was announced as our representative. It has only gotten worse when it was obvious the Association wasn’t prepared for negotiations, started sending out generic updates and did not and has responded to AA’s full court press. When members of the NC say section 6 is an absolute, maybe rose colored glasses are so dark they are blinding. Who has motives??

They weren't prepared. The TWU side, IMO, spent too much time looking to the past and not enough preparing for these talks. To the IAM's credit, they took advantage of the void.

If the Association believed their generic characterization of the comprehensive proposal wasn't going to be challenged by the Company then that's a failure on their part.

The divide was created from the very beginning when the TWU publicly fought against the Association, leaders sued to disband it and generally spoke negatively.

Then we've had non-Association branded videos, letters and protests. The TWU has used the disparity in holidays as a talking point in protests. The division was self-inflicted and it continued to progess. Here we are.

That "absolute" changed to "probable" and it is now just a "possibility". It may not seem that way too most, but going from industry leading contract to a fair contract is a big move and a possible window of things to come.

 

[Racer X]

I don’t currently work for AA or in the airline industry.

Josh

Then I need to ask, why do you read and post here?