American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[PIEDMONT784]

American did not create the division, they are only taking advantage of it. The division started from day one when the Association was announced as our representative

It's irrelevant who or what "created" the division what IS relevant, is who or what is EXPLOITING the division. It could be argued that the company created the division when they merged two airlines, with multiple unions, and cultures....

"Democratic process"? Like the one that forced the association down our throats?

No, more like the democractic process that was presented when the company shoved a bankruptcy, and a merger down your throat...

 

[PIEDMONT784]

It was a large error by the TWU to get in this Association. Unions are to look after the best interests of their members. The TWU did not. The Association was such an obvious negative for the TWU . How they agreed to it is astonishing. And no vote or say from the membership to boot. You can not blame the IAM for looking out for their members. You can blame the TWU for not.

No it wasn't --our options were to either pursue a bloody battle between the IAM and TWU which "might" have resulted in the TWU as the victor... or maybe not... it could have ended in NO representation. On thing for certain, a protected representation companion would have distracted BOTH unions, and significantly impacted the financial viability of both unions.

Meantime, the newly merged company would have decimated BOTH workgroups while the unions fought each other... again... DIVIDE AND CONQUER!

>SPIT<

 

[Rusty Hilock]

"it could have ended in NO representation."

Do you actually think the majority of TWU and IAM members would have voted for NO REPRESENTATION?

 

[WeAAsles]

"it could have ended in NO representation."

Do you actually think the majority of TWU and IAM members would have voted for NO REPRESENTATION?

The options that would have been given had the NMB ruled that we needed to vote to certify the TWU/ IAM Association would have been only these 3

TWU/ IAM Employee Association
No Union
Write in option

That’s it. Because the TWU and IAM did not file for representation with the NMB as separate entities.

 

[WeAAsles]

NYer I know you’ll be out there and read this tomorrow morning so.

I find myself very very “frustrated” at the moment and can use your help if you’re cool with that?

I can’t seem to find that MOU with the list of Stations that would have been saved had Parker needed to force a hostile takeover of AMR and the TWU supported that.

I’d like to discuss that list of closed cities.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

"it could have ended in NO representation."

Do you actually think the majority of TWU and IAM members would have voted for NO REPRESENTATION?

ABSOULTLEY! Read below...

The options that would have been given had the NMB ruled that we needed to vote to certify the TWU/ IAM Association would have been only these 3

TWU/ IAM Employee Association
No Union
Write in option

That’s it. Because the TWU and IAM did not file for representation with the NMB as separate entities.

 

[Rusty Hilock]

I think if the Association was NOT formed that both Unions would have filed for representation.
Then any other union that could get enough cards could also have filed for the NMB Election.

The Association was FORCED on us by One Richard Trumka AFL-CIO.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

That’s it. Because the TWU and IAM did not file for representation with the NMB as separate entities.

And "IF" they were to have pursued that option... "Meantime -- the newly merged company would have decimated BOTH workgroups while the unions fought each other... again... DIVIDE AND CONQUER!"

 

[WeAAsles]

I think if the Association was NOT formed that both Unions would have filed for representation.
Then any other union that could get enough cards could also have filed for the NMB Election.

The Association was FORCED on us by One Richard Trumka AFL-CIO.

First part incorrect. It doesn’t work that way. And if getting cards signed were that easy AMFA would have made it in at AA over 50 years ago. (No comments please)

On your last sentence.

Yes it was. Are you trying to inform us here of something you think we don’t know or are you adding to the pile of at least 1000 times that’s already been said and covered to death.

“Rear View Mirror”

 

[PIEDMONT784]

I think if the Association was NOT formed that both Unions would have filed for representation.
Then any other union that could get enough cards could also have filed for the NMB Election.

The Association was FORCED on us by One Richard Trumka AFL-CIO.

I think if the Merger between AA/US was NOT formed, that both Unions would NOT have had to file for representation.
The merger was FORCED on us by Doug Parker, Investors, Wall Street, and Lobbyist!

 

[WeAAsles]

And "IF" they were to have pursued that option... "Meantime -- the newly merged company would have decimated BOTH workgroups while the unions fought each other... again... DIVIDE AND CONQUER!"

They couldn’t have filed separately and the IAM wouldn’t have had the time to get the cards so it would have just been the TWU alone.

Situations reversed I would say the same thing about the TWU that they also would have been left out in the cold.

And frankly the hatred and animosity among members would have been extremely intense.

Magnify TWA x 10. Absolutely not worth it.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

They couldn’t have filed separately and the IAM wouldn’t have had the time to get the cards so it would have just been the TWU alone.

Situations reversed I would say the same thing about the TWU that they also would have been left out in the cold.

And frankly the hatred and animosity among members would have been extremely intense.

Magnify TWA x 10. Absolutely not worth it.

Again... DIVIDE AND CONQUER... but at X 10!

 

[737823]

They couldn’t have filed separately and the IAM wouldn’t have had the time to get the cards so it would have just been the TWU alone.

Situations reversed I would say the same thing about the TWU that they also would have been left out in the cold.

And frankly the hatred and animosity among members would have been extremely intense.

Magnify TWA x 10. Absolutely not worth it.

USAIR is worse than TWA.

At least TWA the dumpy aircraft, STL hub, IAM CBA and representation went away in fairly short order. This time LUS hit the lotto on nAAtives backs enabling their windfall, CLT/PHL/PHX are still around as are the dumpy LUS aircraft, and the IAM.

Josh

 

[title 2]

First part incorrect. It doesn’t work that way. And if getting cards signed were that easy AMFA would have made it in at AA over 50 years ago. (No comments please)

On your last sentence.

Yes it was. Are you trying to inform us here of something you think we don’t know or are you adding to the pile of at least 1000 times that’s already been said and covered to death.

“Rear View Mirror”

AMFA was 1500 cards from filing in the 30 day NMB time frame with no Usair cards filed that means they had a majority of AA m&r

 

[WeAAsles]

AMFA was 1500 cards from filing in the 30 day NMB time frame with no Usair cards filed that means they had a majority of AA m&r

Ok thanks.