American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[CremaDiLimone]

A couple of things....the LAA policy allows unlimited shift trades whether working or taking off...you have to work 50% of your hours in a half year...but you don’t have to work your shift hours...I know at least 2 PTs that literally haven’t worked their bid shift in years

we know, at least, i know, who thrives in chaos...the scammers. some of the manning sheets need someone with a calculus degree to decipher all the scam CSs.

i know a FT time guy who never works his bid shift, CS with this or that c/c, and he is DI all the time.

the way it was explained to me, this guy is f#cked with the new contractual policy. the fireman, who works twice a week, will be ok.

personally, i don't care about the CS policy and it would never be a deal-breaker issue for me.

 

[Kev3188]

i know that alaska is very fussy and particular and they have to be going crazy with menzies...

I'd hope they are, but they've been partnered with/tolerated Menzies for years in all kinds of stations.

 

[Racer X]

we know, at least, i know, who thrives in chaos...the scammers. some of the manning sheets need someone with a calculus degree to decipher all the scam CSs.

i know a FT time guy who never works his bid shift, CS with this or that c/c, and he is DI all the time.

the way it was explained to me, this guy is f#cked with the new contractual policy. the fireman, who works twice a week, will be ok.

personally, i don't care about the CS policy and it would never be a deal-breaker issue for me.

Is that an oxy moron? Contractual policy? (I’m just joking).
Why would he be screwed?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

he's got a problem because he will have to work a percentage of his actual bid shift, which doesn't line up with c/c hours he CSs with, and hence, he can't be a D1 - which is, be in charge, though he is not a crew chief.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I'd hope they are, but they've been partnered with/tolerated Menzies for years in all kinds of stations.

we'll see...lots of issues in my station with these ground handling companies.

 

[gulfcoast1]

A couple of things....the LAA policy allows unlimited shift trades whether working or taking off...you have to work 50% of your hours in a half year...but you don’t have to work your shift hours...I know at least 2 PTs that literally haven’t worked their bid shift in years...also VC don’t count against your 50%...

On the PT OT...can’t remember a PTer getting day off OT during my career at AA...even when they have exhausted the FT list, PT aren’t proffered even if they are on the list...they also are rarely if ever extended past 8 hours, because they have to exhaust the FT list first...now if this 40% PT cap that the company wants comes to fruition all bets are off...

I don't think the LAA policy allows the equivalent of 3 doubles in a row to be worked whether you are part time or full time. I could be wrong though. In hubs PT does not get day off OT, but I hear in smaller stations they do. There is a 40 hour requirement before the day off OT is paid as OT and not extra straight time hours.

 

[gulfcoast1]

The CS Policy/Swap has already been TA'd. Although not as liberal as the current LAA policy language it really shouldn't be a determining factor in a vote.

If we vote no based on that language then we may be really disappointed as they could just impose the current IAM language anyway.

If that is what they TA'd then I am not holding out much hope for other so-called improvements and the people negotiating probably should not be in the room. smh.

 

[Racer X]

he's got a problem because he will have to work a percentage of his actual bid shift, which doesn't line up with c/c hours he CSs with, and hence, he can't be a D1 - which is, be in charge, though he is not a crew chief.

I don’t believe that to be the case. ( if I’m understanding you right) Is he trading to work a shift and have that person work his shift? If so, the way I understand it is You will be able to trade as often as you wish (every day) as long as someone works your shift ( within 30 days) and that won’t even count towards the 6 month limit.

 

[gulfcoast1]

Looks like you have yourself a Catch-22 scenario there.

DL & UA are scheduled to pass us in wages on October & December.

If you vote no on a proposal with no wage adjustments, it will actually create the very scenario you want to avoid. We continue negotiating while the other airline pass us in wages.

Not really. I would rather wait a months for a possible better offer than years without the possibility of one.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Is this the same PREZ that you bash and argue with on here and the same PREZ that you say voted for the UA agreement?
If so,,,,are you taking CREDIT or BLAME for him getting a DISTRICT JOB???
By the way.... I heard that you recommended CB for a District Job also.

yes but the system makes them stand down as nobody steps out of line unless they want to get dismissed by the Grand Lodge. I took that risk for my position because I saw my teams organizing success being exploited. I couldda ran as an agc on the ticket me and delaney put together but my interest was in growing the union by empowering the voices of the previously voiceless.

The structure of the union means that the Grand Lodge has all executive authority and nobody can free members from madness unless we change out the GL executive board.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I don’t believe that to be the case. ( if I’m understanding you right) Is he trading to work a shift and have that person work his shift?

no. the C/C takes off when he works for them. he finds orange vest P/Ters to work his regular shift.

why would an AM C/C swap his c/c shift to work for a regular clerk, PM hours? the C/C just wants off, he wants to be in charge. simple as that.

 

[Racer X]

I don't think the LAA policy allows the equivalent of 3 doubles in a row to be worked whether you are part time or full time. I could be wrong though. In hubs PT does not get day off OT, but I hear in smaller stations they do. There is a 40 hour requirement before the day off OT is paid as OT and not extra straight time hours.

LUS Pt do get day off OT premium rates if 40 hr qualifier is met or Over 8 hours in a day is also OT premium rate. This of course does not include trade hours.

 

[gulfcoast1]

The CS Policy/Swap has already been TA'd. Although not as liberal as the current LAA policy language it really shouldn't be a determining factor in a vote.

If we vote no based on that language then we may be really disappointed as they could just impose the current IAM language anyway.

Other items have been tweaked. If the overlap is REALLY subject to company approval then they need to fix that or spell out exactly what will be approved before LAA clerks who do lot of Swaps vote yes for it.

 

[gulfcoast1]

In MIA, they used to pay those until enterprising folks started picking up CS's to create the short turn after the get the OT.

They stopped paying them.

Lately, if the CS was processed prior to the OT they've been paying the short turn.

They don't do that everywhere and there is what I thought was a systemwide grievance on it in process.

 

[Racer X]

no. the C/C takes off when he works for them. he finds orange vest P/Ters to work his regular shift.

why would an AM C/C swap his c/c shift to work for a regular clerk, PM hours? the C/C just wants off, he wants to be in charge. simple as that.

I don’t know why some people do what they do. Lol. I was just trying to understand so as not to put out false info.
Thanks for clarifying.