American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[CremaDiLimone]

I’m positive that Doyle wasn’t presented with the removal of the Baker letter merely because some Local Prez got along with Management overall and others didn’t. That’s more than a little overreaching.

ask sean and he may or may not, corroborate.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I only met Mike once and have spoken to him on the phone a few times. Seems like a nice guy and I’d like to hope he’s well qualified. Alex I consider a friend. I don’t think he would have made it as far as he had in the TWU organization by being an idiot. Met Gary twice and also held both times great conversations with him.

Do I think there have been a few stumbles here and there? Absolutely. But what I like about these guys over the group that used to be there is I don’t think they’re out trying to pretend their perfect. They’re humble.

The Jim Little group if you remember NEVER made any mistakes. They were always perfect.

i don't argue your conclusions. the equity was/is separate from the negotiations, but i don't believe the equity was handled well at all.

 

[WeAAsles]

so, i take it that NYer is mia local president.

if NYer did get an email asking him to be part of the assoc. nego. committee, i'd say that's good enough and if he accepted the invite by email...then the phone calls would have started with the preliminaries?

i don't know, so i can't say one way or another. if i was a mia employee, i'd be wondering why a major hub is not represented. if you don't believe he is competent, be happy, i guess?

I don’t know who NYer is. He’s never divulged his identity here. ;-)

I actually think he could have been one of the most competent people in that room. I don’t agree with his philosophy that seems like it’s willing to capitulate on a few items I don’t believe we need to capitulate on. But he has his right to his opinions.

His main advocacy is already lost and even though if he had been a part of the talks I don’t think he could have won his arguments at least I would have seriously respected that fact that he was there and tried to make them. (The CS and OT)

I’m going to say it like it is Crema. The last holdout and the guy always is, on the TWU side is BOS President Tim Hughes. The guy is the real deal IMO. Pure Heart and totally honorable. He’s the only name still on that committee since day one.

He was the absolute last breath trying to hold that CS Policy as is into a TA.

 

[WeAAsles]

ask sean and he may or may not, corroborate.

You’d have to know what other shenanigans (The Company’s thought) were going on in other Cities? ORD is just one City.

Too many accusations Systemwide of Officers not being at the Hall when they’re supposed to be.

Sean did great BTW with that JetBlue win. Kudos.

 

[MetalMover]

TWU President John Samuelsen is mostly just pushing the issue of offshoring Aircraft Maintenance work to the general Public.

It’s a funny thing that Samuelson and all his predecessors and the TWU never considered it outsourcing work when they gave maintenance work to fleet service and now automotive. I guess as long as TWU union brothers get the work, it’s ok. Keeps the union dues slowing.

 

[WeAAsles]

absolutely, i don't know if it's being complacent, lazy...if there's nothing go on at the hall, walk and show your face.

as far as rodriguez, i'm pretty sure he won 3 elections...and lost each subsequent election. i know he had a very good relationship with the station manager..and due to that, many jobs (2 dozen, maybe) were saved by those who got fired, only to be brought back.

It pays to have relationships with Management whether people like that or not. Just as long as you don’t compromise your core values and management never asks you too either.

If either ever happens it’s Game Over.

 

[WeAAsles]

i don't argue your conclusions. the equity was/is separate from the negotiations, but i don't believe the equity was handled well at all.

Ok I’ll take off my Union defender gloves and say, Oh Yea. How they handled the Equity after the case was won was absolutely TERRIBLE. They had no prepared plan for what to do on how to distribute it ready to go. TERRIBLE.

But Mays went to DFW and manned up and again that’s something I never saw under the Little Administration.

 

[NYer]

my concern would be is how well briefed on laa contractual issues and history along with other airlines/employees status quo, is samuelson??

I'm sure they've tried to bring him up to speed, but he'd have to rely on his airline guys.

 

[WeAAsles]

It’s a funny thing that Samuelson and all his predecessors and the TWU never considered it outsourcing work when they gave maintenance work to fleet service and now automotive. I guess as long as TWU union brothers get the work, it’s ok. Keeps the union dues slowing.

Metal Samuelsen HATED Jim Little. Go pay for an online subscription to the NY Chief newspaper and you can read all the articles of him bashing Little. I think he even used the old “Chicken Little” line.

Who the F is giving work? The Aircraft movement is in BOTH Contracts going back I don’t know how long ago.

And lots of people in my group here in MIA think you guys stole that work from us. So the fighting on both sides has grown beyond pathetic.

BTW I can’t tell you how many Clerks in my City don’t agree with my support for you guys. The line never ends that you guys wanted to separate so screw you. NYer on Facebook has even said NO he doesn’t want to wait for you if we have a JCBA in Fleet ready to go. I don’t agree with him although I give him 100% Credit for having the balls to say it.

 

[NYer]

i can do that now...but, i was talking in the past tense.

the former 3 time local president was very tight with the station manager/'vice-president'. i believe it was the election rodriguez lost to sean doyle...where doyle's group was then promptly presented with the fait accompli of the baker letter.

i remember the word was, if rodriguez had won, the letter would not have been enforced by the company/station manager. i found that very unfair..it also led many to wonder why this person and not that person?

so, my question is that letter was not to be enforced uniformly by the company?? pick and choose?

Don't believe it had anything to do specifically with 512, but the change was pressed uniformly and the decision to cover someone was taken out of local management's hands. Those types of deals are hard to come by in the Fleet world.

 

[MetalMover]

Metal Samuelsen HATED Jim Little. Go pay for an online subscription to the NY Chief newspaper and you can read all the articles of him bashing Little. I think he even used the old “Chicken Little” line.

Who the F is giving work? The Aircraft movement is in BOTH Contracts going back I don’t know how long ago.

And lots of people in my group here in MIA think you guys stole that work from us. So the fighting on both sides has grown beyond pathetic.

BTW I can’t tell you how many Clerks in my City don’t agree with my support for you guys. The line never ends that you guys wanted to separate so screw you. NYer on Facebook has even said NO he doesn’t want to wait for you if we have a JCBA in Fleet ready to go. I don’t agree with him although I give him 100% Credit for having the balls to say it.

Long before you hired on, pushbacks and decing were ONLY in mechanic’s job scope.
So originally it was maintenance work. I know it is in both contracts now but that is not the way it always was. I do love how the company says they only want mechanics to do mechanic work. But thanks to the TWU and later on the IAM, our scope was changed. But historically this was maintenance work.
BTW, Outsourcing does not necessarily mean work sent out to foreign parties. It can also be domestic.

 

[NYer]

absolutely, i don't know if it's being complacent, lazy...if there's nothing go on at the hall, walk and show your face.

as far as rodriguez, i'm pretty sure he won 3 elections...and lost each subsequent election. i know he had a very good relationship with the station manager..and due to that, many jobs (2 dozen, maybe) were saved by those who got fired, only to be brought back.

There are many types of relationships you could have with management and they're usually consistant with the abilities of the elected representatives.

A good relationship isn't always good if that's the only way to get things done or get people brought back.

 

[WeAAsles]

Long before you hired on, pushbacks and decing were ONLY in mechanic’s job scope.
So originally it was maintenance work. I know it is in both contracts now but that is not the way it always was. I do love how the company says they only want mechanics to do mechanic work. But thanks to the TWU and later on the IAM, our scope was changed. But historically this was maintenance work.
BTW, Outsourcing does not necessarily mean work sent out to foreign parties. It can also be domestic.

Metal I 100% feel we should be on the same team on these issues and stop pushing and pulling against each other.

It’s the Company who is now defining what each other’s “CORE” work is and I have yet to read the list what they consider that to be?

Maybe to them the only thing you should be doing is turning a wrench and the only thing I should be doing is smashing a bag? Obviously I don’t agree with either one of those definitions if that’s what they think.

If it was up to me I’d like to give you back ALL pushing and pulling of Aircraft and Deicing and if you don’t mind I’d like to have back Fueling, Catering and Lav Dumps Systemwide.

Can we wheel and deal on which Group gets to Water the plane?

 

[WeAAsles]

Long before you hired on, pushbacks and decing were ONLY in mechanic’s job scope.
So originally it was maintenance work. I know it is in both contracts now but that is not the way it always was. I do love how the company says they only want mechanics to do mechanic work. But thanks to the TWU and later on the IAM, our scope was changed. But historically this was maintenance work.
BTW, Outsourcing does not necessarily mean work sent out to foreign parties. It can also be domestic.

BTW Metal if pushback and deicing were shifted, exchanged, given up or stolen by my Group LONG before I hired on, why am I the one suffering the sins of Fathers that weren’t even remotely related to me? How many of the people who made those decisions are still ALIVE today too?

On a personal note I only deiced once in my career and I hated it. I was scared to DEATH being up in the bucket and never did the job ever again.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

You’d have to know what other shenanigans (The Company’s thought) were going on in other Cities? ORD is just one City.

Too many accusations Systemwide of Officers not being at the Hall when they’re supposed to be.

Sean did great BTW with that JetBlue win. Kudos.

yes, sean is no slouch.

i'm not suggesting that shenanigans were going on in ord or other cities. i wouldn't know anyways.

i do know that the former station manager decided that since he has to work with the twu, he might as well have a very good relationship with the local president, and this he did have with rodriguez. no shame either way. rodriguez was my crew chief between terms..rodriguez was a smart wheeler & dealer and knew the contract, inside and out, upside down.

it was as if his 'buddy' lost the election, so, now i'm going to take my toys and go home. give doyle the cold shoulder.