American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

Everyone in the organization had their stipend updated. The last time it was adjusted was more than 10 years ago by then Local President Alex García and the group who was in office with him, some of which, happen to be the same guys W ran with last election cycle. They lost to the current Administration and that is still a sore subject with W so don't mention it. 🙄

Nothing wrong with being able to vote yourself a raise after the Membership received such a large one themselves in October of 2016. Isn’t it wonderful that the President doesn’t need to inform the Membership (The Bosses) before they make that decision to “update” their pay.

Do you really believe using terms like “updated” and “adjusted” is going to pull the ass out of the fire? LMAO.

 

[Rusty Hilock]

Dude, I'm not going down this rabbit hole here, but research will reveal the truth...
"follow the money" works every time!

http://blogs.harvard.edu/bankruptcyroundtable/2014/06/24/bankruptcys-corporate-tax-loophole/

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/02/business/proposed-law-on-bankruptcy-has-loophole.html

Just like Clinton getting blamed for NANFA when it was actually Reagan and Bush Sr's bill!

https://www.thebalance.com/history-of-nafta-3306272

"Just like Clinton getting blamed for NANFA when it was actually Reagan and Bush Sr's bill!"

You got to be kidding - Right?
You never heard of a VETO?

From your own source:

President Bill Clinton signed it into law December 8, 1993. It entered force January 1, 1994. It was a priority of President Clinton's, and its passage is considered one of his first successes. (Source: "NAFTA Signed Into Law," History.com, December 8, 1993.)

NAFTA had plenty of support from the Democrats although a slight majority OPPOSED NAFTA.

You can see here exactly how your representatives voted from your State.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/h575


Democrats are NO FRIEND OF ORGANIZED LABOR. Follow the MONEY! Here is the proof:

 

[Rusty Hilock]

Carter destroyed millions of union jobs, and his Airline Deregulation Act crushed unions in this industry. Clinton's signing of NAFTA eliminated almost 1 million union jobs according to the AFLCIO. Never mind his bitterly racist crime act. Sadly, Clinton forced the American Pilots back to work and signaled to the Airline CEO's that he would be the strike breaker they needed. Only 3 PEB's were ever issued for the Airline industry after a cooling off, all by scab democrats.

Tim, YOU NAILED THIS ONE!

 

[WeAAsles]

Nothing wrong with being able to vote yourself a raise after the Membership received such a large one themselves in October of 2016. Isn’t it wonderful that the President doesn’t need to inform the Membership (The Bosses) before they make that decision to “update” their pay.

Do you really believe using terms like “updated” and “adjusted” is going to pull the ass out of the fire? LMAO.

Just came up with another term you can use to explain those raises that’s even more subtle than updated and adjusted. “Refreshed”

“Everyone in the “organization” had their “stipends” “refreshed”.

Now of course George Carlin would have a field day writing a Comedy sketch around that one.

 

[Racer X]

Yes those of us who work at the airport are getting screwed for no reason. Why do people we pay to negotiate for us agree to this bull?

I’ve tried to explain that language. The 1600 isn’t a “ set in stone” rule. It’s only there so that the company can’t say that a CS MUST be submitted at any time PRIOR to 1600.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Democrats are NO FRIEND OF ORGANIZED LABOR. Follow the MONEY! Here is the proof:

Tim, YOU NAILED THIS ONE!

Oh really? Then why are Democrats opposed to the National Right to Work Act?
Why are Democrats opposed State Right to Work laws?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-introduce-bill-to-repeal-right-to-work-nationwide

Why are Republicans in favor of the NRTWA, and plan on having Trump sign it in his second term?
Especially, since the bill will GUT Airline Unions specifically!

https://teamster.org/news/2017/02/teamsters-strongly-oppose-national-right-work-legislation
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...ins-in-washington_us_5891fb30e4b0522c7d3e354d

Republicans have proposed, drafted, and are on track to pass the single most detrimental bill in US history for Unionized Airline Workers...
and you claim the GOP is labor's best friend?

Now that's funny right there...

>SPIT<

 

[gulfcoast1]

I hope it will not change from what we have now. We used to not really have a deadline and now we have a reasonable one. Thank you for the explanation.

 

[gulfcoast1]

Maybe you missed but 1600 the day prior is the worst case scenario. It isn't 24 hours prior. It's for any shift starting after midnight. If your local rep gets your local management to agree, it can be 1 hour prior to shift.

P. Rez

Oh really? Then why are Democrats opposed to the National Right to Work Act?
Why are Democrats opposed State Right to Work laws?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-introduce-bill-to-repeal-right-to-work-nationwide

Why are Republicans in favor of the NRTWA, and plan on having Trump sign it in his second term?
Especially, since the bill will GUT Airline Unions specifically!

https://teamster.org/news/2017/02/teamsters-strongly-oppose-national-right-work-legislation
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...ins-in-washington_us_5891fb30e4b0522c7d3e354d

Republicans have proposed, drafted, and are on track to pass the single most detrimental bill in US history for Unionized Airline Workers...
and you claim the GOP is labor's best friend?

Now that's funny right there...

>SPIT<

Not to mention all the republican led union busting in the public sectors in states like OH and WI. People who think republicans or trump care more about workers than corporations are living on a different planet.

Our union leaders went to a big conference last year in LAS. Cuomo came all the way from NY and other Democrats were there to show support. I heard there were no republicans there.

Don't take my word for it. Remember Carrier workers trump said he would help? See what they think.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...waiting/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fc087db668b8

And this
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-unions-war-232382

And Trumka
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/us/politics/trump-trumka-unions-afl-cio.html

Nyer has a lot more as I recall. Nyer do you have anything to add?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Everyone in the organization had their stipend updated. The last time it was adjusted was more than 10 years ago by then Local President Alex García and the group who was in office with him, some of which, happen to be the same guys W ran with last election cycle. They lost to the current Administration and that is still a sore subject with W so don't mention it. 🙄

i remember the baker letter being brought out and the next thing you know, the new local president was all alone at the hall. i saw what weaasles posted as far as money..correct me if i'm wrong, but i remember the ex local president (ord) was very close with the station manager, and if the incumbent had won, the station would have paid for 3 officers at the hall, daily.

so, it was each station's vice-president's decision whether to exercise it. i could be wrong, but, that's what i seem to remember.

i have no issue with what you earn. if i was a fsc in mia and i thought you had half a brain, i'd want to know why you aren't on the negotiating committee.

if you were, i'd probably get my answer about total compensation, now and proposed.

 

[737823]

Carter destroyed millions of union jobs, and his Airline Deregulation Act crushed unions in this industry. Clinton's signing of NAFTA eliminated almost 1 million union jobs according to the AFLCIO. Never mind his bitterly racist crime act. Sadly, Clinton forced the American Pilots back to work and signaled to the Airline CEO's that he would be the strike breaker they needed. Only 3 PEB's were ever issued for the Airline industry after a cooling off, all by scab democrats.

Tim just like the unions and people like Rez say how bad the RLA is for limiting you alls rights and ability to engage in strikes/job actions they secretly like it because in addition to the closed shop requirement it also gives them an easy out for meager performance since they can keep blaming laws and politicians.

Josh

 

[NYer]

i remember the baker letter being brought out and the next thing you know, the new local president was all alone at the hall. i saw what weaasles posted as far as money..correct me if i'm wrong, but i remember the ex local president (ord) was very close with the station manager, and if the incumbent had won, the station would have paid for 3 officers at the hall, daily.

so, it was each station's vice-president's decision whether to exercise it. i could be wrong, but, that's what i seem to remember.

i have no issue with what you earn. if i was a fsc in mia and i thought you had half a brain, i'd want to know why you aren't on the negotiating committee.

if you were, i'd probably get my answer about total compensation, now and proposed.

The Baker letter was expanded by many Locals to include more than what was agreed to. They had side agreements with their station management team to cover more Officers than originally intended.

The Company did an audit and found all the extra expense so they cut it back. Locals had to adjust their operating methods by having to either pick up the difference or send guys back to the field.

During the BK, the coverage was returned for all Local Presidents, since some had lost it.

In MIA, the past Administration had the VP's at the Hall for most of the week with the Members picking up that tab. The new Local Admin. changed that to only 2 days a week. Most of that savings was redirected to the adjustment in all the stipends from the Stewards up to the President.

 

[NYer]

I have no issue with what you earn. if i was a fsc in mia and i thought you had half a brain, i'd want to know why you aren't on the negotiating committee.

if you were, i'd probably get my answer about total compensation, now and proposed.

There were many emails, phone calls and conversations with Members in MIA, towards the Int'l, upset they weren't represented on the NC.

The response to their inquiry usually was that there were no open positions. That started when there was a change in DFW and DCA due to elections.

At one point they were going to keep both DFW guys, which would have been fine because it would lend an amount of consistency to the process. Ultimately that didn't happen and they kept Sean Doyle in the open seat.

Subsequently, the Fleet NC was down to 2 and was recently brought back up to 6 by adding MIA, ORD, SFO & DCA. Why it was let to dwindle to 2? IDK.

As it stands, seems the NC is there for moral support since the Executive Committee and the Association Directors are doing all the heavy lifting. To the point the NC was advised they didn't need to make the trip to NY for the scheduled meeting with the airline on the 11th & 12th.

 

[Rusty Hilock]

Oh really? Then why are Democrats opposed to the National Right to Work Act?
Why are Democrats opposed State Right to Work laws?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-introduce-bill-to-repeal-right-to-work-nationwide

Why are Republicans in favor of the NRTWA, and plan on having Trump sign it in his second term?
Especially, since the bill will GUT Airline Unions specifically!

https://teamster.org/news/2017/02/teamsters-strongly-oppose-national-right-work-legislation
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...ins-in-washington_us_5891fb30e4b0522c7d3e354d

Republicans have proposed, drafted, and are on track to pass the single most detrimental bill in US history for Unionized Airline Workers...
and you claim the GOP is labor's best friend?

Now that's funny right there...

>SPIT<

Can you read? I NEVER USED the word REPUBLICAN in my posting#2691. I simply stated that Democrats are NO FRIEND of Organized Labor and provided the proof in the AA PILOTS video and the Congressional Record..

I NEVER "CLAIMED that the GOP IS LABOR'S BEST FRIEND".

I NEVER EVEN USED THE WORD REPUBLICAN IN MY POSTING.

You are stating what you think I said not ACTUALLY READING WHAT I SAID.

NEITHER DID TIM NELSON IN THE ONE THAT I REPLIED TOO.

He simply pointed out how dismal the support from Democrats really is for organized labor.

 

[Rusty Hilock]

Not to mention all the republican led union busting in the public sectors in states like OH and WI. People who think republicans or trump care more about workers than corporations are living on a different planet.

Our union leaders went to a big conference last year in LAS. Cuomo came all the way from NY and other Democrats were there to show support. I heard there were no republicans there.

Don't take my word for it. Remember Carrier workers trump said he would help? See what they think.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...waiting/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fc087db668b8

And this
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-unions-war-232382

And Trumka
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/us/politics/trump-trumka-unions-afl-cio.html

Nyer has a lot more as I recall. Nyer do you have anything to add?

WHY DID 102 HOUSE DEMOCRATS VOTE FOR NAFTA?

WHY DID 27 SENATE DEMOCRATS VOTE FOR NAFTA?

 

[737823]

Oh really? Then why are Democrats opposed to the National Right to Work Act?
Why are Democrats opposed State Right to Work laws?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-introduce-bill-to-repeal-right-to-work-nationwide

Why are Republicans in favor of the NRTWA, and plan on having Trump sign it in his second term?
Especially, since the bill will GUT Airline Unions specifically!

https://teamster.org/news/2017/02/teamsters-strongly-oppose-national-right-work-legislation
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...ins-in-washington_us_5891fb30e4b0522c7d3e354d

Republicans have proposed, drafted, and are on track to pass the single most detrimental bill in US history for Unionized Airline Workers...
and you claim the GOP is labor's best friend?

Now that's funny right there...

>SPIT<

Dems respond to big labor and AFL-CIO money although their “clout” has seriously diminished over the last half century.

Unions always have the energy, willingness and dedicate resources to fight right to work because it threatens the institution and its ability to collect dues while providing meager performance and little to no value to the membership. That’s exactly what the no raid clause is about.

The workers/members have been under assault for decades, yet your “leaders” have supported, facilitated and encouraged signing away benefits only for them to maintain their cushy salaries and jobs under the guise of “we’ll get ‘em next time” and “just be glad you have a job” and “we just wanted to put some money in the members pockets”

Josh