American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Tim, YOU NAILED THIS ONE!

The Dems have been a serous letdown. Mostly they are just anti union worker but pro Labor Organization. Even Obama was just as awful as the Republicans. Dude gave Labor Organizations a golden nugget to be the pioneers to wipe out the pensions of current retirees. Only retired union members get sacrificed. And he was going to crush any remaining jobs in the US with TPP and his globalism. Let alone him wiping out thousands of union jobs due to his environmental scams. Very Sad record for working people. But I give Obama a free pass since he was given a chit sandwich from Bush, and he supported the Auto industry which in turn helped me keep my job.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Since we're talking about how Labor Friendly the GOP/TRUMP WH is... let's review the loss of 800 IAM UNION JOBS under their tax cut policies...
They are sending their US plant to f-ing Thailand! MAGA!
Tialand is NOT a NAFTA partner! Only Canada and Mexico...



>SPIT<

 

[Rusty Hilock]

Interview with James Hoffa. IBT The largest Labor Union

 

[CremaDiLimone]

As it stands, seems the NC is there for moral support since the Executive Committee and the Association Directors are doing all the heavy lifting. To the point the NC was advised they didn't need to make the trip to NY for the scheduled meeting with the airline on the 11th & 12th.

my concern would be is how well briefed on laa contractual issues and history along with other airlines/employees status quo, is samuelson??

 

[WeAAsles]

i remember the baker letter being brought out and the next thing you know, the new local president was all alone at the hall. i saw what weaasles posted as far as money..correct me if i'm wrong, but i remember the ex local president (ord) was very close with the station manager, and if the incumbent had won, the station would have paid for 3 officers at the hall, daily.

so, it was each station's vice-president's decision whether to exercise it. i could be wrong, but, that's what i seem to remember.

i have no issue with what you earn. if i was a fsc in mia and i thought you had half a brain, i'd want to know why you aren't on the negotiating committee.

if you were, i'd probably get my answer about total compensation, now and proposed.

You would have to check with your new Local ORD President to know if the Station Manager offered to pay any of the current officers to remain off the field and at the Hall? But is there always a need for them to be at the Hall is the question? DFW has that arrangement with Local Management and it seems to work for them.

Crema let me share this again and you can be the Judge. This correspondence that my Local President Sidney Jimenez publicly shared and immediately took down when I called him out on it was between “Him” and the TWU International.

It says on it “RE: NC” meaning “Regarding the Negotiating Committee” Meaning again how I read it was that he was having an ongoing conversation about the subject.

Now notice his response to something not provided. His response was essentially well “I” would be a Negotiator if “I” was called but “you” haven’t called me yet. That’s how I view it. Again meaning he was asked in the E- Mail and needed the Ego Boost of an actual Phone Call rather than the E- Mail itself being enough or “he” really just didn’t want to go?

How do you view this?

 

[WeAAsles]

my concern would be is how well briefed on laa contractual issues and history along with other airlines/employees status quo, is samuelson??

It isn’t Samuelsen representing the TWU as the Association Chairperson, it’s former TWU Local 568 President Alex Garcia with the assistance of former SFO Fleet President Mike Mays and current TWU Line Maintenance 591 President Gary Peterson.

TWU President John Samuelsen is mostly just pushing the issue of offshoring Aircraft Maintenance work to the general Public.

Extra: Just to add NYer, Sidney Jimenez and Alex Garcia share some not too pleasant past history with each other.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

You would have to check with your new Local ORD President to know if the Station Manager offered to pay any of the current officers to remain off the field and at the Hall? But is there always a need for them to be at the Hall is the question? DFW has that arrangement with Local Management and it seems to work for them.

i can do that now...but, i was talking in the past tense.

the former 3 time local president was very tight with the station manager/'vice-president'. i believe it was the election rodriguez lost to sean doyle...where doyle's group was then promptly presented with the fait accompli of the baker letter.

i remember the word was, if rodriguez had won, the letter would not have been enforced by the company/station manager. i found that very unfair..it also led many to wonder why this person and not that person?

so, my question is that letter was not to be enforced uniformly by the company?? pick and choose?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Crema let me share this again and you can be the Judge. This correspondence that my Local President Sidney Jimenez publicly shared and immediately took down when I called him out on it was between “Him” and the TWU International.

It says on it “RE: NC” meaning “Regarding the Negotiating Committee” Meaning again how I read it was that he was having an ongoing conversation about the subject.

Now notice his response to something not provided. His response was essentially well “I” would be a Negotiator if “I” was called but “you” haven’t called me yet. That’s how I view it. Again meaning he was asked in the E- Mail and needed the Ego Boost of an actual Phone Call rather than the E- Mail itself being enough or “he” really just didn’t want to go?

How do you view this?

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so, i take it that NYer is mia local president.

if NYer did get an email asking him to be part of the assoc. nego. committee, i'd say that's good enough and if he accepted the invite by email...then the phone calls would have started with the preliminaries?

i don't know, so i can't say one way or another. if i was a mia employee, i'd be wondering why a major hub is not represented. if you don't believe he is competent, be happy, i guess?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

it’s former TWU Local 568 President Alex Garcia with the assistance of former SFO Fleet President Mike Mays and current TWU Line Maintenance 591 President Gary Peterson.

i take it you're fine with this group?

 

[WeAAsles]

i can do that now...but, i was talking in the past tense.

the former 3 time local president was very tight with the station manager/'vice-president'. i believe it was the election rodriguez lost to sean doyle...where doyle's group was then promptly presented with the fait accompli of the baker letter.

i remember the word was, if rodriguez had won, the letter would not have been enforced by the company/station manager. i found that very unfair..it also led many to wonder why this person and not that person?

so, my question is that letter was not to be enforced uniformly by the company?? pick and choose?

Going back looking at your Local 512 FB page Rick Rodriquez was only Prez twice.

I’m positive that Doyle wasn’t presented with the removal of the Baker letter merely because some Local Prez got along with Management overall and others didn’t. That’s more than a little overreaching.

I’ll use DFW as an example but not speak on the story of how. What I know if the Station Manager agreed to pay the officers to remain at the hall and do their work rather than going on UB daily and causing staffing issues losing CC’s Daily. They go to the field and badge in and come back later in the day and badge out which is the deal made.

Your Station has a budget and can do whatever they want with that budget if they wanted to do the same thing at other Locals.

IMO if Management is not warring with the Local Membership there isn’t any need for any officers to be at the field on a daily basis.

I’ve seen multiple pictures already of your President Juan Elvira making field walks. There are none in existence of mine doing the same sadly.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

You would have to check with your new Local ORD President to know if the Station Manager offered to pay any of the current officers to remain off the field and at the Hall? But is there always a need for them to be at the Hall is the question?

hmmm, would i be out of line if i believed that the top 3 officers are entitled not to go to the airport everyday and toss bags?

 

[WeAAsles]

i take it you're fine with this group?

I only met Mike once and have spoken to him on the phone a few times. Seems like a nice guy and I’d like to hope he’s well qualified. Alex I consider a friend. I don’t think he would have made it as far as he had in the TWU organization by being an idiot. Met Gary twice and also held both times great conversations with him.

Do I think there have been a few stumbles here and there? Absolutely. But what I like about these guys over the group that used to be there is I don’t think they’re out trying to pretend their perfect. They’re humble.

The Jim Little group if you remember NEVER made any mistakes. They were always perfect.

 

[WeAAsles]

hmmm, would i be out of line if i believed that the top 3 officers are entitled not to go to the airport everyday and toss bags?

Well you’ll like the JCBA then (Hint Hint) Ok but I’ll say if I was in any of those positions and didn’t have anything going on at the moment I’m going to be out on that field walking around to the point where Members are going to be sick to death of seeing me.

I think once an Officer becomes scared of the Members it only keeps getting worse and worse and he tries to run away from them only more and more.

When you become disconnected from your Membership that’s it, you’re doomed.

Edit: BTW nothing wrong with humping bags. Keeps you humble and down to Earth. And makes you never forget who you really are either.

 

[737823]

You would have to check with your new Local ORD President to know if the Station Manager offered to pay any of the current officers to remain off the field and at the Hall? But is there always a need for them to be at the Hall is the question? DFW has that arrangement with Local Management and it seems to work for them.

Crema let me share this again and you can be the Judge. This correspondence that my Local President Sidney Jimenez publicly shared and immediately took down when I called him out on it was between “Him” and the TWU International.

It says on it “RE: NC” meaning “Regarding the Negotiating Committee” Meaning again how I read it was that he was having an ongoing conversation about the subject.

Now notice his response to something not provided. His response was essentially well “I” would be a Negotiator if “I” was called but “you” haven’t called me yet. That’s how I view it. Again meaning he was asked in the E- Mail and needed the Ego Boost of an actual Phone Call rather than the E- Mail itself being enough or “he” really just didn’t want to go?

How do you view this?

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Weez I thought you were upset you weren’t part of 568 FB group? What gives?

Josh

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I’ll say if I was in any of those positions and didn’t have anything going on at the moment I’m going to be out on that field walking around to the point where Members are going to be sick to death of seeing me.

absolutely, i don't know if it's being complacent, lazy...if there's nothing go on at the hall, walk and show your face.

as far as rodriguez, i'm pretty sure he won 3 elections...and lost each subsequent election. i know he had a very good relationship with the station manager..and due to that, many jobs (2 dozen, maybe) were saved by those who got fired, only to be brought back.