American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

Wish it worked that way, but it doesn't.

Again you have stated multiple time in the past that the Company says the IAM giving up their Medical and coming over to the and you have to admit ridiculously priced LAA Medical costs is a “must have” for the Airline?

I’m still waiting to see why precisely this piece is a must have outside of merely your opinion?

Was there something written in the Merger agreement that stated the new Company must do everything possible to transition all employees forward to those plans (costs) written by the Creditors to agree to the merger?

Question: It’s obvious “IMO” that you have no qualms with the other side giving up this hard fought and won item to move the process forward to a conclusion. Do you then at least support other positions that we need to demand a CAP on any further rising costs being passed on to the Membership?

What if the Company chooses not to move off that 40% Systemwide PT language?

 

[WeAAsles]

Wish it worked that way, but it doesn't.

And if it doesn’t work that way I hope you’re prepared for this to go all the way to the end if need be? (You don’t need to reiterate my 6 month pool pick BTW)

On this issue I see no reason that the IAM side has to budge in the slightest and I think they’ve already shown themselves more than once to be quite resilient.

 

[MetalMover]

Again you have stated multiple time in the past that the Company says the IAM giving up their Medical and coming over to the and you have to admit ridiculously priced LAA Medical costs is a “must have” for the Airline?

I’m still waiting to see why precisely this piece is a must have outside of merely your opinion?

Was there something written in the Merger agreement that stated the new Company must do everything possible to transition all employees forward to those plans (costs) written by the Creditors to agree to the merger?

Question: It’s obvious “IMO” that you have no qualms with the other side giving up this hard fought and won item to move the process forward to a conclusion. Do you then at least support other positions that we need to demand a CAP on any further rising costs being passed on to the Membership?

What if the Company chooses not to move off that 40% Systemwide PT language?

Nothing another trip to bankruptcy court couldn't fix!

 

[NYer]

Again you have stated multiple time in the past that the Company says the IAM giving up their Medical and coming over to the and you have to admit ridiculously priced LAA Medical costs is a “must have” for the Airline?

I’m still waiting to see why precisely this piece is a must have outside of merely your opinion?

Was there something written in the Merger agreement that stated the new Company must do everything possible to transition all employees forward to those plans (costs) written by the Creditors to agree to the merger?

Question: It’s obvious “IMO” that you have no qualms with the other side giving up this hard fought and won item to move the process forward to a conclusion. Do you then at least support other positions that we need to demand a CAP on any further rising costs being passed on to the Membership?

What if the Company chooses not to move off that 40% Systemwide PT language?

They probably won't want to move from the 40% language since it's currently in the IAM book. I supposed the argument would be on how to calculate the 40% whether it would be as a percentage of the full membership or a percentage of the FTers.

Stating what is a probable outcome doesn't mean it is the preferred outcome and productive conversation to have is how to maximize that part of the negotiations if it turns out to be inevitable.

Just saying no is not a sustainable tactic.

 

[NYer]

And if it doesn’t work that way I hope you’re prepared for this to go all the way to the end if need be? (You don’t need to reiterate my 6 month pool pick BTW)

On this issue I see no reason that the IAM side has to budge in the slightest and I think they’ve already shown themselves more than once to be quite resilient.

Nothing can come back for a vote without their consent and even with that, the probability is that they'll lose the medical.

At that point, I'm sure you'll find a way to spin the decision as you did when this turned from an "ILC" goal to a "fair contract" goal.

 

[Bin Stretcher]

NYer... in your experience, will a mediator in section 6 talks lean toward "the greater good of all" or will they bear in mind the company's current proposal is cost negative for many IAM fleet personnel?

 

[WeAAsles]

Nothing can come back for a vote without their consent and even with that, the probability is that they'll lose the medical.

At that point, I'm sure you'll find a way to spin the decision as you did when this turned from an "ILC" goal to a "fair contract" goal.

I’ve NEVER used the term Industry Leading Contract. I think it’s a STUPID phrase to use period.

Can you show me in the RLA or the Representation Manual where it states the NMB can negotiate or force a party to an agreement?

Even with a PEB an independent arbitrator comes up with the deal after both sides present their case. And the only way to force the agreement is for Congress to legislate it and the President sign it into law.

Which has never happened in the airlines.

Personally I really really believe for some sick twisted reason you want to see them lose that Medical. It’s nothing more than a contest for you now. One you have to win.

 

[WeAAsles]

Nothing can come back for a vote without their consent and even with that, the probability is that they'll lose the medical.

At that point, I'm sure you'll find a way to spin the decision as you did when this turned from an "ILC" goal to a "fair contract" goal.

One more time.

I’ve NEVER used the term Industry Leading Contract. I think it’s a STUPID phrase to use period.

I’ve actually been against the term over the year unless you can find a post otherwise?

 

[WeAAsles]

New guy is stalking me, lol. Oh well. Needs attention I guess.

 

[Bin Stretcher]

NYer... in your experience, will a mediator in section 6 talks lean toward "the greater good of all" or will they bear in mind the company's current proposal is cost negative for many IAM fleet personnel?

This question open to CB, Ograc, Pres as well as anyone else on Bette that may have experience on a NC

 

[aintgotnotimefodat]

One more time.

I’ve NEVER used the term Industry Leading Contract. I think it’s a STUPID phrase to use period.

I’ve actually been against the term over the year unless you can find a post otherwise?

I agree with u Weaasle for once..industry leading is deceiving....

I remember in 2003 we got Industry Leading Concessions from the TWU...worse than any carrier that filed bankruptcy, for a longer duration...still under those benefits15 years later...

Because of the TWU...industry leading no longer can be used in terms of contracts...LOL

 

[NYer]

NYer... in your experience, will a mediator in section 6 talks lean toward "the greater good of all" or will they bear in mind the company's current proposal is cost negative for many IAM fleet personnel?

The NBM is there for a deal.

They won't do a cost analysis. They look at trends and they look at comparables. If all airlines lost their pension and you're fighting to keep yours then you'll be at a disadvantage.

For the IAM, the disadvantage in Section 6 is that most of LAA is already in their medical and most of the industry has moved into similar plans. That will lead them to push towards that being a subject the unions move on more than the Association.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

To me, all this public posturing by the airline has two objectives and one is to put their cards on the table to see if they can get a vote on something. As important, if not more, they are also setting the steps to show the NMB they have more from their stated positions. If they make that case who do you believe will be looked to takes steps towards the other side?

The financial pieces have been put out for public consumption so the Association can't return with anything lower than what has been shown, right? If that is the case then what pieces do you suppose the NMB will be pointing towards in order to get to a deal? Scope? Medical? Not much left that hasn't been TA'd.

well, according to samuelson, the pie for both public proposals from aa has been the same size, just the portions were cut differently.

as of the latest, prez says that overall, the contract is cost-neutral/cost-negative for the company.

the company tells me that they are offering me $4,500 more than ua and $5,300 more than dl, in yearly compensation.

the company isn't telling me and everyone else how much they will save by putting iam on laa insurance and eliminating catering/lav jobs? i'm assuming the above is the fodder for prez's argument about the contract being cost-neutral/negative?

can the company pull the wool over the NMB's eyes? as far as the NMB pointing at something...

....if aa's 'last-best' offer is sub-par, it will time for the assoc. to want profit sharing contractualized...just get it out there for the NMB and section 6 to compare to dl and ua.

let's see aa wiggle it's way out of that one. this could be the company's achilles heel. keep your dirty hands off my profits.

 

[NYer]

I’ve NEVER used the term Industry Leading Contract. I think it’s a STUPID phrase to use period.

"I’d be willing to bet that given side by side comparisons (For Fleet) that we WILL have industry leading in ALL areas of our JCBA, comparing to IAM UAL and TWU SWA. Delta has no contract to compare to." --WeAAsles

 

[MetalMover]

I’ve NEVER used the term Industry Leading Contract. I think it’s a STUPID phrase to use period.

Can you show me in the RLA or the Representation Manual where it states the NMB can negotiate or force a party to an agreement?

Even with a PEB an independent arbitrator comes up with the deal after both sides present their case. And the only way to force the agreement is for Congress to legislate it and the President sign it into law.

Which has never happened in the airlines.

Personally I really really believe for some sick twisted reason you want to see them lose that Medical. It’s nothing more than a contest for you now. One you have to win.

Ahh the good old days!

http://www.peoplesworld.org/article/today-in-labor-history-airline-workers-strike-in-196/