American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[AANOTOK]

The IAM side of the Association prevents any type of vote. The negotiations go to section 6 which take a year or two as the IAM continues to drag it out fully realizing their medical (and probably pension) are in jeopardy. Eventually, they are stripped of one or two of the previously mentioned but are able to say to their members they were able to keep it an extra two years for the members but had no power once the mediator stepped in. All the while the TWU members will continue to be shortchanged in other areas during this process. I guess the IAM sees this as only fair since the healthcare will go up and they will be on the receiving end of "concessions".
That's the opinion of this "Putz" because I do believe someones hand has already been revealed.

 

[WeAAsles]

Doesn’t work that way; You don’t get your land w/o fighting for the whole nation.

And my point stands; with one exception, labor in aviation has repeatedly caved during our careers.

Scotland is still under British rule then over 700 years past Wallace’s death.

What does that tell you?

 

[NYer]

if that's the case, then why negotiate or offer more than a previous offer?

just walk away..we (company) have nothing to lose. see you in section 6..later on, maybe with an arbitrator/PEB?

to me, the company does have something to lose. they don't want to contractualize PS. there's a reason for that. hundreds of millions of dollars that may go to people like you and me.

They have a position where they're willing to go. They're not going to get there at the first proposal, they'll work themselves to that point

When they invited the Mediator to their talks it was dismissed by most but was it a sign for the Company to start working on the NMB in trying to show they're more willing to bend than the Association? I think so.

Fast forward, the airline passed a comprehensive proposal in July, they added to it in March, again in May and they'll probably add the final pieces in June. None of those adjustments are anywhere near what most expect.

To me, there's a 50/50 shot we have a vote on something before Section 6 and for that to happen the IAM has to agree.

 

[Rusty Hilock]

I have absolutely NO PITY for the IAM LUS folks who dislike "The Association". You had your chance in 2013 to DUMP the AFL-CIO IAM Trumka controlled Union but REJECTED the the IBT. You made your bed and hope you enjoy lying in it. The IBT DUMPED the AFL-CIO in 2005 because of all the CRAP!


US Airways mechanics vote to keep IAM over Teamsters
Aug 12, 2013 Aaron Karp

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  US Airways A319
  By Rob Finlayson
  The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) said Monday that US Airways mechanics have voted to retain IAM as their union representative, rejecting an effort by the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT) to take over as the workers’ representative. Over five weeks of voting, US Airways mechanics and related employees voted 1,903 to 1,418 (58% to 42%) to retain IAM over IBT, according to IAM. The US National Mediation Board (NMB) oversaw the voting. ...

GO IBT!

 

[Racer X]

The IAM side of the Association prevents any type of vote. The negotiations go to section 6 which take a year or two as the IAM continues to drag it out fully realizing their medical (and probably pension) are in jeopardy. Eventually, they are stripped of one or two of the previously mentioned but are able to say to their members they were able to keep it an extra two years for the members but had no power once the mediator stepped in. All the while the TWU members will continue to be shortchanged in other areas during this process. I guess the IAM sees this as only fair since the healthcare will go up and they will be on the receiving end of "concessions".
That's the opinion of this "Putz" because I do believe someones hand has already been revealed.

Shortchanged? TWU and IAM both under agreement with an amendable date of Sept 2018.
Both groups are getting what was agreed to or we’re forced to agree to, by the Company and their respective Union.

 

[Rusty Hilock]

For all you LAA folks forget the pipe dream of different representation. We could not get enough cards from the people at TULE to qualify either for an IBT or AMFA NMB Election [Too many people at TULE like it in Egypt and are scared of changing Unions. ] Anyone who has ever worked directly in a NMB card drive knows that 65% of eligible voters must sign cards to wind up with 50% + 1 valid cards.

 

[WeAAsles]

To me, there's a 50/50 shot we have a vote on something before Section 6 and for that to happen the IAM has to agree.

NOW you got it.

And I’ll tell you another thing. I don’t think behaving like a bunch of A-Holes and telling them that they’re Medical is a “Must have” for the Company and the IAMPF sucks is the best way to get them to agree maybe with your 50/50 shot?

Those types of comments just serve IMO to galvanize them even more towards their resolve if they feel we’re no less an enemy to them than Parker, Isom or Glass.

I hope you’re right about an official June offer. The Company has to know firmly by now where their pinch points are and do need to make the adequate adjustments if we ALL really want to avoid jumping in to the Section 6 process.

 

[Racer X]

They have a position where they're willing to go. They're not going to get there at the first proposal, they'll work themselves to that point

When they invited the Mediator to their talks it was dismissed by most but was it a sign for the Company to start working on the NMB in trying to show they're more willing to bend than the Association? I think so.

Fast forward, the airline passed a comprehensive proposal in July, they added to it in March, again in May and they'll probably add the final pieces in June. None of those adjustments are anywhere near what most expect.

To me, there's a 50/50 shot we have a vote on something before Section 6 and for that to happen the IAM has to agree.

If the adjustments are not near what most expect why would the NC bring it out?

 

[NYer]

NOW you got it.

And I’ll tell you another thing. I don’t think behaving like a bunch of A-Holes and telling them that they’re Medical is a “Must have” for the Company and the IAMPF sucks is the best way to get them to agree maybe with your 50/50 shot?

Those types of comments just serve IMO to galvanize them even more towards their resolve if they feel we’re no less an enemy to them than Parker, Isom or Glass.

I hope you’re right about an official June offer. The Company has to know firmly by now where their pinch points are and do need to make the adequate adjustments if we ALL really want to avoid jumping in to the Section 6 process.

The IAM Medical is a must have.

 

[MikeS]

The IAM side of the Association prevents any type of vote. The negotiations go to section 6 which take a year or two as the IAM continues to drag it out fully realizing their medical (and probably pension) are in jeopardy. Eventually, they are stripped of one or two of the previously mentioned but are able to say to their members they were able to keep it an extra two years for the members but had no power once the mediator stepped in. All the while the TWU members will continue to be shortchanged in other areas during this process. I guess the IAM sees this as only fair since the healthcare will go up and they will be on the receiving end of "concessions".
That's the opinion of this "Putz" because I do believe someones hand has already been revealed.

I agree. So I guess that means that LAA guys are all ready under a concessionary contract.

 

[NYer]

If the adjustments are not near what most expect why would the NC bring it out?

If it's a last offer the pressure for the Association mounts as going into Section 6 adds months or years to the process and the airline can systematically pull back from their current positions, the NMB could freeze us while other airlines pass us by in wages and the frustration levels rise which can make getting a worse deal possible.

The Association can come back with a TA and have a no recommendation saying if the TA is defeated it helps us in Section 6, which could be true.

 

[AANOTOK]

Shortchanged? TWU and IAM both under agreement with an amendable date of Sept 2018.
Both groups are getting what was agreed to or we’re forced to agree to, by the Company and their respective Union.

Yep, can't argue with that. So Racer, although I think you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about, lets just say for now and the foreseeable future, the LUS contract is superior to the LAA contract.

 

[Rusty Hilock]

JUNE 11-12 The Association's" LAST STAND.

 

[WeAAsles]

The IAM Medical is a must have.

So your main purpose I guess is to be antagonistic to both myself and the IAM since you still cannot provide any documentation or video where this “must have” comment was made.

Perhaps you might want to ask to be invited to this page where you can attempt to sell your “must have” ideology on those Members?

https://m.facebook.com/groups/266160093568898

 

[Rusty Hilock]

Yep, can't argue with that. So Racer, although I think you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about, lets just say for now and the foreseeable future, the LUS contract is superior to the LAA contract.

In my opinion other than the IAMNPF you have made a very correct statement.