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No the medical is not the only topic, and my apologies if I came off that way but imo it is item #1 on the IAM side and they have a 50% say on if a contract comes back to the membership for a vote. So while Mntc outsourcing and pt % are larger issues on the TWU side, I think the hold up will be the medical.
There are too many issues that one side wants and the other has and it goes both ways. The make up of the Association is the real flaw. The company knew it and flaunted it. I can't see any way this gets resolved and section 6 will come along and the LAA people are going to get that much more pissed off. This truly is a cluster fk.
 
There are too many issues that one side wants and the other has and it goes both ways. The make up of the Association is the real flaw. The company knew it and flaunted it. I can't see any way this gets resolved and section 6 will come along and the LAA people are going to get that much more pissed off. This truly is a cluster fk.
And we will watch the F/A's get another contract followed by the pilots..And we will still be watching GP videos telling us nothing!
 
really...wait until 2017 to introduce such legislation that will go absolutely nowhere.

why didn't the dems & obama introduce it in 2009/2010, where it could have moved very quickly in congress? burned all his political capital on his health plan.
If you knew your labor history, you would know Democrates have been OPPOSED to RTW since 1978!
http://theconversation.com/why-americas-labor-unions-are-about-to-die-69575

Second, nothing goes "quickly through congress" Obama had a little over four months of a senate majority before the GOP regained control. With senate fillabuster rules, and illnesses, the majority was comprimised. The GOP was set to stymie any bills introduced as an obstructive strategy simply because they could.
https://www.ohio.com/akron/pages/when-obama-had-total-control-of-congress

Lastly-- why are Repulicans hell bent on killing the unions? Espicially Government, State, and Transportation (AIRLINE) Unions?
http://thehill.com/regulation/labor/309122-gop-plans-new-assault-on-unions

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...ins-in-washington_us_5891fb30e4b0522c7d3e354d

>SPIT<
 
thanks for the history lessons. i live in a very democratic city, a city with a history of hotbed unionism.

- as your source stated; 'when obama had control of congress'. as your source stated, obama did for awhile, and obamacare was passed, as mentioned in your source. he burned all his political capital on his health plan and the rest is history. the subsequent mid-terms, the gop won back many seats and any pro-union legislation went out the window. awwwww...that always happens. ok, next time, i'll vote again for a democrat. we'll get 'em next time.

- don't make this, as it appears you are...that i'm trying to say the republicans are labor's friends. i have said that the gop serves it's core constituency impeccably. the elite and corporate america. the democrats have shifted away from us, onto social politics/identity politics.

that was their choice. i know my local presidents meet with members of congress and i know the meetings go very well, for the most part. lots of secrecy about the tpp though...

in the meantime, since the democrats have dived head-first into identity politics, you can now drive coast to coast across the usa through only red counties and those gop representatives view labor as domestic economic terrorists.

so, i say, thank you, democrats, for your dip-$hit platforms that have turned much of the nation against you and by consequence, strengthened the wealthy and corporate america against us, in labor.
 
thanks for the history lessons. i live in a very democratic city, a city with a history of hotbed unionism.

- as your source stated; 'when obama had control of congress'. as your source stated, obama did for awhile, and obamacare was passed, as mentioned in your source. he burned all his political capital on his health plan and the rest is history. the subsequent mid-terms, the gop won back many seats and any pro-union legislation went out the window. awwwww...that always happens. ok, next time, i'll vote again for a democrat. we'll get 'em next time.

- don't make this, as it appears you are...that i'm trying to say the republicans are labor's friends. i have said that the gop serves it's core constituency impeccably. the elite and corporate america. the democrats have shifted away from us, onto social politics/identity politics.

that was their choice. i know my local presidents meet with members of congress and i know the meetings go very well, for the most part. lots of secrecy about the tpp though...

in the meantime, since the democrats have dived head-first into identity politics, you can now drive coast to coast across the usa through only red counties and those gop representatives view labor as domestic economic terrorists.

so, i say, thank you, democrats, for your dip-$hit platforms that have turned much of the nation against you and by consequence, strengthened the wealthy and corporate america against us, in labor.
The Democrats problem is they abandoned the people that work for a living. And turned to illegal immigration to make them citizens, and people that don't want to work to create a permanent underclass to support them. This this driven middle class Americans to the GOP.
 
- don't make this, as it appears you are...that i'm trying to say the republicans are labor's friends. i have said that the gop serves it's core constituency impeccably. the elite and corporate america. the democrats have shifted away from us, onto social politics/identity politics.

OK... let's say I give you credit for your viewpoint, and agree that Corporate America has taken over politics..
Let's also say hypothetically, that I were to agree that Democrats haven't fought hard enough to stop it. Let's also say Republicans have not only NOT attempted to stop it, but facilitated it...

Now... whom do think WE as Unionist should vote for?
 
The Democrats problem is they abandoned the people that work for a living. And turned to illegal immigration to make them citizens, and people that don't want to work to create a permanent underclass to support them. This this driven middle class Americans to the GOP.
Actually the middle-class was NOT driven to the GOP. Large swaths comprising a majority in urban areas all went Democratic, as did the national popular vote.
The rural areas of America, and gerrymandering won the electorate. This does not reflect the sentiment of middle-class voters.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...mocrats-won-popular-vote-senate-too/93598998/
 
"Will Not Accept" = Must have

Both are absolutes. Perhaps a game of Tic Tac Toe?

I actually got the video of all of this. Video from CLT and one from PHX. Same message.
Tim, Sito has such a terrible record with past contracts are we fools to let him in be in the position as chief negotiator.If i were TWU I would not want him anywhere near the table
 
The Democrats problem is they abandoned the people that work for a living. And turned to illegal immigration to make them citizens

to me, this is where the democratic party has made it's decision. illegal immigrants shift wealth from blue-collar american workers to...:

Immigration is primarily a redistributive policy, transferring income from workers to owners of capital and from taxpayers to low-income immigrant families.

the source here is the ny times, from 'the center for immigration studies', where the word, immigration, is blurred...illegal or legal? using the word, immigration, for all (legal and illegal), is the obvious tip-off to the source's angle.

other economists, including nobel prize winners, will tell you that illegal immigration depresses wages.

so, just exactly on who's side are the democrats on?

i know blue-collar legal immigrants and subsequent american citizens who voted for trump because they had to stand in line and follow the rules. someone born in this hemisphere has an inherent right to cross the border and demand to be left alone or demand to become a citizen?

stand in line like others have.
 
OK... let's say I give you credit for your viewpoint, and agree that Corporate America has taken over politics..
Let's also say hypothetically, that I were to agree that Democrats haven't fought hard enough to stop it. Let's also say Republicans have not only NOT attempted to stop it, but facilitated it...

Now... whom do think WE as Unionist should vote for?

it's definitely not as clear-cut as it once was. the tpp was once obama's & hillary's baby.

we are now at the mercy of trickle-down economics and have to hope for the best. increased profits (artificial profits, such as corporate tax cuts...less regulation) will trickle down to us. i don't believe they will, the powers that be prefer to give that surplus to the shareholder, which is them, by the way.

the richest 1% of americans own some 45% of all shares outstanding in this country.
 
didn't you just post cuomo for president, 2020??

That was a joke. But this is my real go to guy.

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Yuck Politics. Old people talk. Sorry still love ya both but.
Unfortunately Weez, our very existence as union represented employees hangs in the balance. The NRTA is designed to target the Airline Unions specifically...
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...ins-in-washington_us_5891fb30e4b0522c7d3e354d

The NRTA is a political issue, one party, and one president are hell bent on making it law.
https://www.bna.com/trump-administration-puts-n57982083381/

Anyone that belives that this isue will not be a factor in future contracts, is is pretty f-ing naive. The Company is just waiting for this legislation, and it will drag things out as long as possible in hopes of this administration making it law. This law could well have an effect on OUR next contract!
That is if there is even a union remaining to negotiate one!

>SPIT<
 
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