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Tim Nelson
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you may be in luck. The greatest portion of the meeting was to get the proposal in front of the members for a vote "as is now" based off the latest video information. Sito asked if there was any wiggle and the company said no.
There will be no TA prior to the May ballot tabulation but there is now a strong lean on the union part to toss the proposal out for a vote based on the data.
The union would allow itself to be pushed to the side and allow a direct proposal from the company to the members. A strong yes vote is most likely, unfortunately. Lus health insurance would be gone. Thats the only way Sito can limit his political damage.
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Well it’s the Company who has agreed to secure (Not knowing the full details) only the 40 Stations staffed currently while I “believe” (Rumor) the Association has asked for 13 more Stations to be restaffed?
That’s ABSOLUTELY not going to happen if we’re in a hurry to make sure we vote before entering the dreaded (And frightening) expanse know as the RLA Section 6 process.
(Section 6 or better known as the Mutara Nebula)
We lost the battle Weez the union met the enemy and was soundly defeated now its everyman for himself
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We don't get anything Bob, if people say no. When they send the T/A they are supposed to show the exact amount of money the bonus you will get.
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So W. with that somewhat sarcastic view of Section 6, do you hold the belief that we can do better than what the company is offering (and may sweeten a bit more) in section 6. You are OK with the "possibility" of negotiations going on for another two, three, four years via a mediator and yet still having to accept similar to what is on the table now.
Tim would it now be fair to say Sito was our General Custer and the Weez was one of his blind scouts?Sito should have been relieved of his duties months ago
Very good points AANOTOK
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I know I’m ok “today” and that’s what matters most.
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Sito flopped. Its over. He was instructed this week and a few things were made "clear" to the TWU.
Solidarity fell apart and each his own now. Sad.
I guess I can still hope to wait but with a TA off the table and a movement to plan B, ie., direct negotiations between the company and members by way of voting on a proposal instead of a TA, there will be little chance of hope since chaos and division now abound.
Weez plays a part but i dont think he gets moved up from his jetblue situation.
Not sure when the proposal will be voted upon but any plan B would certainly happen prior to September.
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"You" are OK. Well that's great, seriously. In my opinion, the term "IGM" to label people should be totally erased, it should not exist. I have AA medical, I'm OK today. I'm not a AMT, I work in a hub, I'm OK today. My family is getting well cared for and will continue to do so, even if I never end up with the LUS Healthcare. Bottom line, why not vote for you and your family needs first and foremost, especially if it will make you OK today.
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Maybe I remember the long ago past and want back some of those old things I can remember? Maybe I also am 100% positive this is my last hurrah, my last real bite of that apple. After this round all I expect if I’m lucky is another few percentages added to my wages and that’s it. Maybe in some areas I have a hard time accepting not even really going back to where we once were.
Maybe I don’t like the idea of being selfish and only considering myself? Maybe even these Chowderhead Mechanics who hate me I don’t hate them? Maybe not having to worry about a family makes it easy for me to talk? Maybe why I think we should have a better deal? Maybe all those reasons I’m not in a hurry?
Maybe I REALLY don’t like the Company playing us for a bunch of saps and suckers?
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Buck I’ve posted this before and it’s from United Airlines (so ignore those references) and it’s a good basic rundown of the process.
About the Section 6 Process
The negotiation process is outlined in Section 6 of the Railway Labor Act (RLA), the U.S. federal law that governs collective bargaining in the airline and railroad industries.
Current collective bargaining agreements become amendable at different times depending on the specific agreement - see each group’s web page for details. Terms of the existing agreements remain in effect throughout negotiations, even if these negotiations extend past the amendable date. All of our current agreements contain “early openers” - a specific period, depending on the agreement, before the amendable date to begin Section 6 negotiations.
Under the RLA, negotiations with each union will follow the same basic structure. This structure is explained below and outlined on a chart from the National Mediation Board.
Exchange of Openers and Direct Negotiation
The formal negotiation process begins with individual meetings between United and each of the unions. At these initial meetings, both parties will exchange what are known as “Section 6 notices” or “openers,” which are letters that lay out each side’s opening suggestions for changes to the existing agreements.
After both parties have had a chance to review these initial openers, direct negotiations will begin between designated representatives from United and each of the unions. During this period, United and each of its employee unions will talk directly. The company and union can reach agreement on a new collective bargaining agreement at any point. The new agreement would then be sent out to union members for a ratification vote.
Mediation
If the company and a union reach a deadlock in direct negotiations, either party can request mediation by the National Mediation Board (NMB), an agency of the U.S. government. The NMB is not required to agree to oversee mediation when the parties request it but could review the progress made to determine whether the parties should continue on their own or whether a mediator’s services would aid the process. The NMB has the option of deferring mediation if it believes the parties can make progress in direct negotiations. At the point where the NMB concludes that mediation would aid the negotiation process, it will appoint a mediator. There is no time limit for mediation under the RLA; it continues until either the parties reach an agreement or the NMB determines that the parties are at an impasse. When the NMB determines that the parties are at an impasse, it must offer arbitration as described below.
Arbitration
If mediation proves unsuccessful, the NMB must also ask the parties if they will agree to submit the matter to binding arbitration. Arbitration is voluntary. If both United and the union agree to arbitration, the NMB would appoint an arbitration board that would hold hearings and issue a binding decision on new contract terms.
If either party rejects arbitration, the NMB will issue a “release,” which starts what is called the 30-day cooling off period. During the 30-day cooling off period, the existing contract remains in effect and the union may not strike. During the cooling off period, the NMB will often attempt “super-mediation” in which the members of the National Mediation Board will personally attempt to mediate the dispute.
Presidential Emergency Board
If the parties have not reached an agreement by the end of the cooling-off period in this process, one of two things would happen.
If the NMB determines that the dispute substantially threatens essential transportation services to any section of the country, it must notify the President of the United States, who may choose to establish a Presidential Emergency Board (PEB). If the President appoints a PEB, it will conduct hearings and submit a report and recommendations to the parties and the President. The recommendations are not binding, and the parties may choose to accept the recommendations of the PEB, reject the recommendations or negotiate their own agreement. During the entire PEB process and for 30 days after the PEB reports to the President, the carrier must maintain the terms of the current contract and the union may not strike. At the end of the 30-day period, unless Congress takes action, either party may exercise self-help, meaning that the union may strike and the carrier may implement new terms of employment.
If the NMB does not determine that the dispute substantially threatens essential transportation, or the President elects not to appoint a PEB, the parties may exercise self-help at the end of the 30-day cooling off period.
If the NMB and President conclude after a strike has begun that the dispute threatens essential transportation services to any section of the country, they can still convene a PEB. If that occurs, the carrier must restore the existing contract terms and the union must end any strike until the PEB process is completed.
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