American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[chilokie1]

Gerrymandering GOT will GOP in office, and it will KEEP the GOP in office...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/upshot/its-time-to-end-the-old-debate-over-gerrymandering.html

https://www.npr.org/2016/11/02/5001...residency-with-27-percent-of-the-popular-vote

In fact, in six out of the last seven Presidential Elections, the Democratic candidate has won the popular vote. This means if the will of the people (voting majority), had been accurately reflected, we would NOT have had a Republican President in office since 1993. That's 25 YEARS!

I'll bet if you were to have a gerrymandered electoral contract ratification procedure in place -- Maybe one that made it impossible for you to vote down an tentative agreement, in spite of member majorities, you would be cool with that as well...

>SPIT<

Thank God for the Founding Fathers vision to foresee the need of the Electoral College, unless of course, you believe California politics is the way to go. The Founding Fathers system gives the flyover states a voice! Take away the massive vote totals in California for Hillery and give her the average winning percentage of the vote totals in all the other 49 states & Trump wins the popular vote. In a true Democracy (politically speaking) we would look like California & New York.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I think those who want to stop paying their dues, which mostly go to protecting our jobs, should lose all contract and union protection. And those who voluntarily withdraw, stop paying, and lose protection have to start paying again and then wait 6 months while paying before protection resumes. The valuable protection the Union gives union workers costs money.

Any such gloom and doom isn't represented with the data. True, Labor Organizations hate RTW because it has been shown to bring down union officer salaries and bring accountability and better representation, but there isn't any indication that people all of the sudden abandon unions, if given a clear choice. The whole gloom and doom is simply myth.

Consider Obama. Under his Presidency, I didn't see all of the union peeps stomping their feet as RTW flourished under his Presidency and hit all time record highs. When he broke his promise to the AFLCIO (And 700) and knifed us in the back by refusing card check and an abolishment of RTW, he pretty much tipped his hand which triggered an onslaught of RTW states, including Michigan.

But what about Michigan? Has RTW destroyed it? Of course not. In fact, the opposite is true. The latest figures show that Michigan increased union membership from 14% to 16% in Trump's first year. Nationally, for the first time in 25 years, union membership is up. Over 250,000 more union members this year. Should I give Trump credit?

The realities are that Trump has created a powerful economy that generates mega numbers of jobs. Unions are increasing members, and the % are following.

The only AFLCIO union that has lost active union members from the first year of Obama to now is the IAM. And that's because the IAM doesn't know how to organize. If not for the 43,000 members I brought in as Director, the IAM would be dead. Prior to my leadership, it was zero for 25 in organizing victories of more than 250 employees. After the Atkinson firing, they are back at being shut out. Stassi, Carlson (Great guy and solid union dude) simply don't know what they are doing.

But, RTW has shown that members don't opt out when a Labor Organization is doing a great job and service. Same with anything else.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Even the friggin' Harley workers that are IAM, are getting the shaft! https://www.npr.org/2018/06/26/6234...-davidson-decision-to-move-some-work-overseas MAGA!

I suggest that you read the IAM official statement on this. The official statement says that Harley is only using the trade wars as an excuse. Sorry

 

[Tim Nelson]

If you look at the House special elections, I would say it is probable. Ryan is retiring for a reason. The AL Senate race had special circumstances, but if Democrats can win a Senate Seat in AL, I would say the House is likely. I agree that trump's base will follow him off almost any cliff, but moderates are abandoning him. That is all we need to pick up enough seats.

IMO the democrats will do well by holding on to what they have. The tides have changed over the past 90 days as the dems are calling for open borders now and the abolition of ICE, calling for publicly attacking those who don't believe the same way. Just really bizarre, extreme left way of thinking which further alienates the dems to the party of hate.

 

[ALUS78]

Who has said that Fleet is settled? They “could” be settled since it seems the last group of Executive talks have been centered only on M&R? Fleet seems to be completely off the burner and been placed on a pot holder?

I don’t think you will hear that there is an AIP or a TA until the entire Negotiations teams are called in to look things over and have a vote.

Weez I hope you are feeling better today.yesterday you and your boys were scrambling around like a group of Meerkats sighting a Savannah Hawk

 

[1986Mekanic]

Who has said that Fleet is settled? They “could” be settled since it seems the last group of Executive talks have been centered only on M&R? Fleet seems to be completely off the burner and been placed on a pot holder?

I don’t think you will hear that there is an AIP or a TA until the entire Negotiations teams are called in to look things over and have a vote.

Oh ok. My bad. Thought I read here that fleet was waiting on maintenance .. My bad.

So all groups are still unsettled with pensions, matches, medical and scope outstanding.

Got it...

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez I hope you are feeling better today.yesterday you and your boys were scrambling around like a group of Meerkats sighting a Savannah Hawk

Al all I will say is that if the day comes that I’m a Union Rep and am told that I have to represent anyone who is not financially contributing to the Union I belong to at all I will resign my pin and position on the spot on principle alone.

And I’m not sure how they would go about it but maybe Unions need to consider becoming true “For Profit” entities after this decision?

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh ok. My bad. Thought I read here that fleet was waiting on maintenance .. My bad.

So all groups are still unsettled with pensions, matches, medical and scope outstanding.

Got it...

That was me who said we “could” be since Fleet doesn’t seem to be being discussed any longer?

I doubt any group will be informed directly that they’re finished but have to wait.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Looks like a "offer" is coming within the next 60 days to be voted upon. Apparently, some greater clarifications this week, according to Fly. I believe both offers will suck balls but pass. The Fleet offer is essentially the same one we already discussed and posted in August of last year. Don't know the MX offer. I would have preferred that American Management get us out of the IAM Pension plan but it doesn't look like that was the case although I'm hopeful of at least a choice. Yeah, that goes against what the company videos say but I'm just repeating what I heard (consider it hearsay and second hand). Current LUS medical is not included in the 'offer'. Just telling the LUS boys what is contained in the offer. While Mr Baskett and others will tell you that they didn't agree to this, they are knifing you in the back once this comes out, because the only way to preserve your LUS healthcare was to have Sito keep this from being voted upon, otherwise it will pass.

It is what it is. Frustrating to keep the IAM pension? Yes, but it is what it is. I won't get as pounded as much as my LUS brothers and sisters since I just have individual coverage. One thing I don't understand is why American doesn't have different coverages, i.e., individual and spouse, or individual and children, why does a LUS person have to pay for "Family" even if their coverage is just for individual and child? Crazy. But we are hosed thanks to Sito.

And, FWIW, any LUS ramper out there, don't complain to me. I told you so. If you don't like the fact that Sito pledged to allow the company to negotiate directly with you by presenting the offer directly to you and sidestepping the negotiation committee then talk to your AGC. Don't talk to me about it, k?

All according to Fly, so consider it all hearsay and secondhand.

 

[ALUS78]

Al all I will say is that if the day comes that I’m a Union Rep and am told that I have to represent anyone who is not financially contributing to the Union I belong to at all I will resign my pin and position on the spot on principle alone.

And I’m not sure how they would go about it but maybe Unions need to consider becoming true “For Profit” entities after this decision?

I agree,I also will keep paying my dues and won't like it when my coworkers dont

 

[ALUS78]

Al all I will say is that if the day comes that I’m a Union Rep and am told that I have to represent anyone who is not financially contributing to the Union I belong to at all I will resign my pin and position on the spot on principle alone.

And I’m not sure how they would go about it but maybe Unions need to consider becoming true “For Profit” entities after this decision?

Weez it has to start now unionists like you have to talk up the unions to these new hires, tell them the virtues of belonging to a union.Now the problem, are the unions virtuous?Time for change is now, lets start by getting the old regime out.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Weez it has to start now unionists like you have to talk up the unions to these new hires, tell them the virtues of belonging to a union.Now the problem, are the unions virtuous?Time for change is now, lets start by getting the old regime out.

WeAAsles handlers wont allow that. And btw his anti union stances arent what we need young workers to see. If weez had his way, he would have ford and harrison eliminate his Local.

 

[ALUS78]

WeAAsles handlers wont allow that. And btw his anti union stances arent what we need young workers to see. If weez had his way, he would have ford and harrison eliminate his Local.

Tim why are they handing out Association T shirts here at LGA? Is it system wide

 

[ALUS78]

WeAAsles handlers wont allow that. And btw his anti union stances arent what we need young workers to see. If weez had his way, he would have ford and harrison eliminate his Local.

Tim although I'm a independent I lean heavily republican.Will the unions have to stop contributing money to the democrats to keep people like me from withdrawing my dues

 

[PIEDMONT784]

I suggest that you read the IAM official statement on this. The official statement says that Harley is only using the trade wars as an excuse. Sorry

You should read Harley's official statement... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/business/harley-davidson-us-eu-tariffs.html they blame tarrifs specifically...

Fact is... Trump's misguided policies have already cost us American Union jobs! Sorry...