American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[CremaDiLimone]

I have been reading all the crap of the last week and i have one comment. The best part of the M&R IAM contract is the medical and the best part of the M&R TWU contract is the scope language and this management team wants us to give both back. We should all be pissed at management not each other.

sums it up well.

when the company refuses to come up with an additional $24 million per year to add all twu on to lus/iam insurance - but is firmly committed to spending $1.7 billion on stock buy-backs from now-2020; after already spending over $12 billion on stock buy-backs since we IPOed.....it's clear for all to see whom aa's priority is.

shareholder over employee. they can't move the shareholder vs. employee toggle switch one notch towards employees.

 

[1AA]

I have been reading all the crap of the last week and i have one comment. The best part of the M&R IAM contract is the medical and the best part of the M&R TWU contract is the scope language and this management team wants us to give both back. We should all be pissed at management not each other.

If we all knew what was going on with the two unions and the infighting you would realize that the problem is equally shared between the TWU, IAM and the company.
We never voted for this Association. The TWU guys never voted to be represented by the IAM and the IAM never voted to be represented by the TWU. What happened to the promised vote the Association was going to give us? That's where it all starts. That's why we are where we are today. The beginning is the problem that we have today. Section 6 is going to happen. That can be done without a mediator. Section 6 can take 2 years depending on progress. Then if things are still not resolved a mediator will oversee negotiations and that can last 2 years or more. If we had a representational vote we would not have two diverse unions at the table fighting the company and each other. With a representational vote the title 1 and title 2 guys had an opportunity to be totally on our own. That didn't happen. The association was more concerned about the preservation of union dues and keeping the IAMPF going as long as possible. I'm not buying anyone's argument the company is to blame. It's the association and it's greed of money to blame just as much.

If this time frame pans out the pilots will have their second post BK contract in place. Try putting a perspective on that scenario.

 

[WeAAsles]

Are you telling me, that when - what I posted, comes to fruition in two years - you're gonna feel confident that we were not played?
As far as what union I would feel confident with negotiating on our behalf, you already know the answer to that.

Of course we’re being played. You just believe it’s the Unions playing you and I know it’s the ones who sign our checks who are.

There is no end in sight to these negotiations, and the people negotiating have no incentive to get it done on either side of the table, except to avoid the ire of the membership or employees. Bottom line, they don't care.

Of course there’s an end in sight. Apparently you just want your Negotiators to end it now though and accept what the Company is “supposedly” offering you I guess (Fine print and all)

And there are multiple incentives all have to want to get this done. Don’t be obtuse.

So, the AMP drive continues, and the stalemated negotiations will incentivize many current fence sitters to sign authorization cards.

You’re right and this next stage in Negotiations probably will bring you in a few more cards.

So does AMP solve your problems and get you to the end of the Rainbow quicker?

That’s a question every fence sitter and naysayer is going to ask you and you better have an answer if you want them to put ink to that paper.

 

[WeAAsles]

I have been reading all the crap of the last week and i have one comment. The best part of the M&R IAM contract is the medical and the best part of the M&R TWU contract is the scope language and this management team wants us to give both back. We should all be pissed at management not each other.

This guy gets it.

sums it up well.

when the company refuses to come up with an additional $24 million per year to add all twu on to lus/iam insurance - but is firmly committed to spending $1.7 billion on stock buy-backs from now-2020; after already spending over $12 billion on stock buy-backs since we IPOed.....it's clear for all to see whom aa's priority is.

shareholder over employee. they can't move the shareholder vs. employee toggle switch one notch towards employees.

This guy also gets it.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm not buying anyone's argument the company is to blame.

Try putting a perspective on that scenario.

These are the two sentences that stood out most to me in your post 1AA.

The rest like most posts here is just tons and tons of retreads. Same old, same old boring.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim I see there are more TWU people posting the last couple of days I hope they understand the AW pilots and the US pilots never had a joint contract.I sound like a broken record to most on here, but can't stress that fact enough. Not that it was the company's fault but they had no problem dealing with it, none at all

It appears that this play is being played again. Parker got serious mileage and saved millions by having two separate groups. Toss in the cross utilization here and it's hard to see why Weez thinks we actually have leverage. We don't. Unless there is another merger, it appears that we will keep what we have for years and possibly a decade. The only chance at a new contract would be if the IAM filed for Arbitration like Sito did two months ago.

 

[ALUS78]

It appears that this play is being played again. Parker got serious mileage and saved millions by having two separate groups. Toss in the cross utilization here and it's hard to see why Weez thinks we actually have leverage. We don't. Unless there is another merger, it appears that we will keep what we have for years and possibly a decade. The only chance at a new contract would be if the IAM filed for Arbitration like Sito did two months ago.

Tim arbitration would kill us.We have no leverage.After the section 6 filing the company got a newspaperto print an article on how they overpay us.You would think the union would counter with4 years after the merger still seperate employees.But no just another update with motivational rah rahs at the end.When are they going to realize we are a very senior work group an we see right through that bullchit its insulting

 

[WeAAsles]

It appears that this play is being played again. Parker got serious mileage and saved millions by having two separate groups. Toss in the cross utilization here and it's hard to see why Weez thinks we actually have leverage. We don't. Unless there is another merger, it appears that we will keep what we have for years and possibly a decade. The only chance at a new contract would be if the IAM filed for Arbitration like Sito did two months ago.

That’s wonderful news. So you get to keep the IAMNPF for at least half the years you have left to work for the Airline if it’s another decade and can build yourself up a very nice Pension nest egg.

Thank God the IAMNPF is in spectacular shape huh Tim?

Did you drink any Wine this weekend?

 

[AANOTOK]

If we are gonna complain about retreads, I'm sure this is near the top.

 

[WeAAsles]

If were gonna talk about complain about retreads, I'm thinking this one ranks near the top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=mx2V-D-Xdq8

Look. The Company is ripping up any chance of having a JCBA this year.

Shouldn’t the little baby be crying instead of laughing?

 

[AANOTOK]

Look. The Company is ripping up any chance of having a JCBA this year.

Shouldn’t the little baby be crying instead of laughing?

Or learning to speak words, maybe starting out with something like "Hypocrite"

 

[swamt]

can i take a lack of response as a "dont look behind the curtain" or please dont ask silly questions? sorry racer but you put yourself and your membership in a losing position short term you will be ok, once mediation starts a year or two down the road we will be right where we are today.

Yup. Just like we did. Same playbook to a "T".

 

[WeAAsles]

“SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!”

 

[swamt]

I have been reading all the crap of the last week and i have one comment. The best part of the M&R IAM contract is the medical and the best part of the M&R TWU contract is the scope language and this management team wants us to give both back. We should all be pissed at management not each other.

And then the real question of; what will this asso do about the asks from the company? Will the asso. just keep doing how the TWU has been doing for the past 3 decades?? I hope not. If they do as in the past, the scope numbers are now at 2000-3000 (per P. Rez statement) If they do as usual it will get brought down to 1500-2500 and the asso will celebrate how they saved the other thousands that the company never wanted in the first place. Typical industrial union chess moves. And the asso will brag how they saved all the "other" jobs when in fact they always agree with the company, pathetic...

 

[Tim Nelson]

“SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!”

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Greed? Well, I see now you are changing your tone. At some point, the Association needs to ask for less than $40 for rampers as well.