American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Actually the “Value” plan is not under any contractual requirement. And why they can and have been raising the costs on it to Death.

They’re trying to herd everyone eventually down to the CORE plan.

That’s why I’ve been supporting the IAM in their (should be our) fight to get/keep the costs lower.



TWU Local 501 posted it on their Facebook page. Notice my “rumor” lol, of 11% on the Family Value and 7% on the Standard rate rise panned out.



You really need to sit down with a pad and pen and figure out what you think works best for you economically?

I take the Standard Plan because I can afford the out of pocket costs. I used to do the Value but with the Deducibles (Non Contractual) it winds up to be more expensive overall now.

The two plans used to equal out.

what can you do about it? Nothing. So embrace the suck.

 

[WeAAsles]

Worse than that paying a lot more for what seems a lousier plan 2 kicks in the butt

Are you at least somewhat realizing now why I’m not joking around like I used to? These Medical costs aren’t a game Al. Even with the raises these costs to Members with Families are life affecting.

This will be even more expensive in 2020 obviously, so if the IAM is not able to keep their medical for their members and the Association get us on it (which I highly doubt) then something better be offered with much value. It will most definitely be "sticker shock". Then "OUCH" would be appropriate!

And why I continue to basically harass the proposition why does it have to be necessarily ONE cost or the OTHER?

Again this Company is “Self Insured” And has Contracts in place with Healthcare providers that give them a preferred rate for Medical procedures. They Negotiated with those providers to place them in Network.

Why shouldn’t we negotiate rates or percentages as well?

 

[ALUS78]

Actually the “Value” plan is not under any contractual requirement. And why they can and have been raising the costs on it to Death.

They’re trying to herd everyone eventually down to the CORE plan.

That’s why I’ve been supporting the IAM in their (should be our) fight to get/keep the costs lower.



TWU Local 501 posted it on their Facebook page. Notice my “rumor” lol, of 11% on the Family Value and 7% on the Standard rate rise panned out.



You really need to sit down with a pad and pen and figure out what you think works best for you economically?

I take the Standard Plan because I can afford the out of pocket costs. I used to do the Value but with the Deducibles (Non Contractual) it winds up to be more expensive overall now.

The two plans used to equal out.

God forbid lets say a stay in the hospital is in one's future looks like the value plan might be better

 

[conehead777]

Weez now that you had a medical issue what is the BEST plan for a man over 50

Get the core plan my cancer surgery plus 3 more major surgery for complications and months in hospital came to a million dollars and I paid 2500 out of pocket and 400 for deductions if I had the low cost plan it would have hurt me so go by your health

 

[conehead777]

Get the core plan my cancer surgery plus 3 more major surgery for complications and months in hospital came to a million dollars and I paid 2500 out of pocket and 400 for deductions if I had the low cost plan it would have hurt me so go by your health

I meant value plan

 

[ALUS78]

I meant value plan

That's what I thought thank you and hope you are feeling better.Plus I'm single and can afford it and 59 to boot

 

[WeAAsles]

That's what I thought thank you and hope you are feeling better.Plus I'm single and can afford it and 59 to boot

Actually next year the Value is the most expensive plan if you max out your coverage as a Single.

Value is $7107.12
Core is $6268.00
Standard is $4084.20

The Value Plan just gives you a false impression that it’s better because you’re paying more Monthly for it.

 

[ALUS78]

Actually next year the Value is the most expensive plan if you max out your coverage as a Single.

Value is $7107.12
Core is $6268.00
Standard is $4084.20

The Value Plan just gives you a false impression that it’s better because you’re paying more Monthly for it.

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That's family correct.We used to have the same argument with the 100% or 90% big difference in monthly peace of mind i.took the 100

 

[conehead777]

That's what I thought thank you and hope you are feeling better.Plus I'm single and can afford it and 59 to boot

Thanks its been a long battle but getting better

 

[2ndGENAMT]

This will be even more expensive in 2020 obviously, so if the IAM is not able to keep their medical for their members and the Association get us on it (which I highly doubt) then something better be offered with much value. It will most definitely be "sticker shock". Then "OUCH" would be appropriate!

If talks go another 24-36 months that gives IAM that much time with the more lucrative plan right?

 

[WeAAsles]

If talks go another 24-36 months that gives IAM that much time with the more lucrative plan right?

Each subsequent 12 Months from now the IAM Members would be locked in to their published Medical rates.

Once an AIP is announced it takes a few months to become a full TA and be voted on so that would take them past Benefits enrollment.

 

[ALUS78]

If talks go another 24-36 months that gives IAM that much time with the more lucrative plan right?

Yes it does. Again I don't know what other companies in the US offer or what the trend is now but the AA plan seems exorbitant. The company can do better for It's employees keep the profit sharing

 

[AANOTOK]

If talks go another 24-36 months that gives IAM that much time with the more lucrative plan right?

I would say yes to that. 2020 was AA's offer and now of course that has been shot down. Again, we (TWU) are the ones taking it up the you know what with this Section 6. As I stated earlier, well played by Sito, his members are doing well.

 

[ALUS78]

I would say yes to that. 2020 was AA's offer and now of course that has been shot down. Again, we (TWU) are the ones taking it up the you know what with this Section 6. As I stated earlier, well played by Sito, his members are doing well.

I think it will keep going until the obama Cadillac tax kicks in and they keep pushing it back so. Is it unfair to TWU yup Pilots and flight attendants had seperate contracts with different benefits with AW & US so dont think they cant or wont do it

 

[WeAAsles]

I would say yes to that. 2020 was AA's offer and now of course that has been shot down. Again, we (TWU) are the ones taking it up the you know what with this Section 6. As I stated earlier, well played by Sito, his members are doing well.

I guess you don’t consider it well played on the TWU’s part actually keeping the Scope for M&R and more jobs a lot longer which is actually what’s lucrative to the Unions (Jobs) and not Medical that the Union doesn’t make even a dime off of?

Scope (Jobs) = Dues flow. FYI.