American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Adam-Levine is this you? Oh boy you’re a card.

Hey who wrote this here?

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Sorry, I can't see the attachment. But, weez, you have to use common sense and moral sense to understand that oil going up means the offer coming down. How much of a pay cut will we take now because of you and your handlers? We are out $275 a week. This will be 3 weeks. Are you going to pay each full timer $825 so far? Yes or No? Are you going to move peeps out of the small stations now that you guys backed yourselves in a corner due to politics?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Adam-Levine is this you? Oh boy you’re a card.

Hey who wrote this here?

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Weez, do you think this pilot should be fired for stepping up for the kiki challenge?
https://www.smalljoys.tv/here-is-how-these-two-pilots/?utm_campaign=instream

 

[Tim Nelson]

OT: I like this one better, weez. Kiki challenge down in Miami it seems?

 

[WeAAsles]

Sorry, I can't see the attachment. But, weez, you have to use common sense and moral sense to understand that oil going up means the offer coming down. How much of a pay cut will we take now because of you and your handlers? We are out $275 a week. This will be 3 weeks. Are you going to pay each full timer $825 so far? Yes or No? Are you going to move peeps out of the small stations now that you guys backed yourselves in a corner due to politics?

Oh you should check it out. Someone made a comment and mentioned your name.

And Tim I was informed by my handlers that the paycut will take you back to your old America West small city payscale and your retirement accounts are now burnt toast.

I’m sorry Tim but Sito decided to buy the Island and hired some of your old IAH hookers to be his dancing girls.

But don’t worry I’m going to buy you a new Laundry Baskett for your Birthday. All White, nice and Godly looking.

 

[WeAAsles]

OT: I like this one better, weez. Kiki challenge down in Miami it seems?

Tim your wife is absolutely stunning. Do you think she’ll stay with you after Sito cuts you back to $17 per hour and nabs the rest of your IAMPF contributions to get his Island Girls some Sugar?

Sito gonna be a Pimpin now don’t ya know.

 

[WeAAsles]

Top Minimum Wage in U.S., $19, Approved for New York’s Airport Workers

On Thursday, the campaign ended in victory for as many as 40,000 airport workers who are now on a path to earning at least $19 an hour, the highest minimum wage target set by any public agency in the country. The pay increase, which was approved unanimously by the commissioners of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, will raise the wages of tens of thousands of workers over the next five years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/27/nyregion/airport-workers-minimum-wage-nyc.html

 

[Tim Nelson]

Top Minimum Wage in U.S., $19, Approved for New York’s Airport Workers

On Thursday, the campaign ended in victory for as many as 40,000 airport workers who are now on a path to earning at least $19 an hour, the highest minimum wage target set by any public agency in the country. The pay increase, which was approved unanimously by the commissioners of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, will raise the wages of tens of thousands of workers over the next five years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/27/nyregion/airport-workers-minimum-wage-nyc.html

unfortunately, it just cost 900 union workers their job as United Airlines laid them all off and replaced them with United Ground which will start at $12 and top out at $15 after 8 years.

 

[1AA]

American Airlines Can't Afford Surging Fuel Prices
Oil prices have jumped again in recent weeks, and some analysts expect further increases. That would be dreadful news for American Airlines.


https://www.fool.com/amp/investing/2018/09/27/american-airlines-cant-afford-surging-fuel-prices.aspx

We are entering mediation. We are going to get hosed. The association was holding out on some issues that they felt mediation might turn in our favor. This might go the distance. Can the membership wait it out for another three years? I'm sure the Association can because the money tree will still be producing for them while we sit and wait for.................

 

[Tim Nelson]

We are entering mediation. We are going to get hosed. The association was holding out on some issues that they felt mediation might turn in our favor. This might go the distance. Can the membership wait it out for another three years? I'm sure the Association can because the money tree will still be producing for them while we sit and wait for.................

how will any remaining issue, POSSIBLY, go our way when the union gave up its leverage for 20 pieces of silver?
The longer this goes into section 6, the more we will lose. Its over.

 

[WeAAsles]

unfortunately, it just cost 900 union workers their job as United Airlines laid them all off and replaced them with United Ground which will start at $12 and top out at $15 after 8 years.

There is no firing of any group to be replaced attempting to get around the Port Authority imposed airport minimum.

All Airlines including AA will need to adhere to the set wage rates as they rise each year.

As this Port Authority Board Member says here, “It’s Bulletproof”

https://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/new-jersey-airport-workers-to-receive-19-minimum-wage-by-2023/

 

[WeAAsles]

American Airlines Can't Afford Surging Fuel Prices
Oil prices have jumped again in recent weeks, and some analysts expect further increases. That would be dreadful news for American Airlines.


https://www.fool.com/amp/investing/2018/09/27/american-airlines-cant-afford-surging-fuel-prices.aspx

We are entering mediation. We are going to get hosed. The association was holding out on some issues that they felt mediation might turn in our favor. This might go the distance. Can the membership wait it out for another three years? I'm sure the Association can because the money tree will still be producing for them while we sit and wait for.................

The quoted “BLOGGER” has been refuted multiple times and has no credibility whatsoever.

Motley “FOOL” is not a reputable source for investor information or advice.

And 1AA while we sit and wait your money tree (AA) will continue to produce for you as well. (Your paycheck)

 

[Tim Nelson]

There is no firing of any group to be replaced attempting to get around the Port Authority imposed airport minimum.

All Airlines including AA will need to adhere to the set wage rates as they rise each year.

As this Port Authority Board Member says here, “It’s Bulletproof”

https://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/new-jersey-airport-workers-to-receive-19-minimum-wage-by-2023/

Fact Check

Sorry, weez, maybe for non IAM members but the IAM waived off all local provisions for Alaska airline and United Airline by contract. City councils don't have authority over State and National laws. If you are serious, you might want to google, "Alaska Airlines Washington Supreme Court Sea Tac".
After the Change to Win and AFLCIO spent $6 million on the drive to $15 at Sea-Tac, Alaska Airlines argued that the RLA is a national labor law and should supercede local laws. The Washington Supreme court ruling stipulated that only a Labor contract could get Alaska Airlines out of the local law. So, Alaska Airline wrote to the Washington Supreme Court that it was forcing it to seek out a union to get around the wage. It's all documented, not joking. So, since Menzies had no union contract, Alaska sought out the IAM, and your friend Sito, got automatic recognition and a 12 page contract which specifically addresses Sea-Tac, and actually EWR and NY (due to other local laws there) as well, and now only pays $13 at Sea-Tac even though the minimum is now up to $16.50 for non contract Sea-Tac workers.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Page 34 of the court ruling:

"Filo Foods (Alaska Airline party) ntends
that Proposition 1 forces employers to voluntarily recognize unions at SeaTac because
the only way for an employer to get out of the ambit of Proposition 1 is to negotiate a
collective bargaining agreement"

https://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/pdf/897239.pdf

 

[1AA]

how will any remaining issue, POSSIBLY, go our way when the union gave up its leverage for 20 pieces of silver?
The longer this goes into section 6, the more we will lose. Its over.

Might be a good time for Fleet service to start a card drive for better representation. There has to be a better way. The association has full control of all groups without any membership say.

 

[Tim Nelson]

This is last page (Page 12) of the McGee contract. The contract was made in July 2016, prior to when the NMB certified the IAM through automatic recognition by its buddy Alaska Airline Management, which certified automatically in August, 2016. Gotta love Sito if you are an anti union man.