American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[PIEDMONT784]

It's not a good plan.

I'll alert all government oversight agencies, along with wall street, that a sock puppet with a cigarette hanging from it's mouth has self appointed full authority over them, and has deemed the plan insolvent...

>SPIT<

 

[lax]

please stop trying to make excuses for them, they have alex to justify their existence. other then you i am not aware of ANY other twu member that supports the association. and that means every member, voted or appointed.

No not one!

 

[dfw gen]

Weez... they have no evidence of anything. The reason the detractors, and dividers are really against the IAM pension is simple...

It represents a potential shared, and vested equity that could weave a common thread between the members of the association (both TWU and IAM), thus cementing a permanent mutual bond between the groups. They see this as a threat to their future divisionary tactics that could fracture the alliance, like their stupid card drives etc.

If one's goal is to divide, then one would certainly be against the proliferation of the IAMNPF.

If the iam pension is forced thats a no vote. Fortunately the company wants out of it, so chance of it being an option are slim to none. I have no desire to cement the association

 

[B737 driver]

Weez... they have no evidence of anything. The reason the detractors, and dividers are really against the IAM pension is simple...

It represents a potential shared, and vested equity that could weave a common thread between the members of the association (both TWU and IAM), thus cementing a permanent mutual bond between the groups. They see this as a threat to their future divisionary tactics that could fracture the alliance, like their stupid card drives etc.

If one's goal is to divide, then one would certainly be against the proliferation of the IAMNPF.

Unfortunately the drive efforts will fail wasting time, American saves money. It is the very same thing as us, we kept saying no on signing off a T/A finally did. It did not ratify so SWA has maintenance at 2012-cost, just like American has minus your raise at bankruptcy cost. Eventually the union and company settle on something , and by that time no one gives a ****!

 

[PIEDMONT784]

If the iam pension is forced thats a no vote. Fortunately the company wants out of it, so chance of it being an option are slim to none. I have no desire to cement the association

The "company wants out" ? LOL!!

-- Dude, did you inform Charlie Brown of that in your phone call? Did you assert the company's desires along with those of your own? I'm sure they will base all future negotiations on what you, and the "company" wants!

News Flash-- The company wants "out" of more than just the pension. They want out of healthcare, job protection, the Railway Labor Act, and entire departments that are currently protected by scope language.

 

[Buck]

2012? Dude, this 2018, soon to be 2019! Just like your 401k... post 911 market volatility played a role.


The company has a lot of "anger" toward the association as well... especially since they won't just bend over the table for them!

The Page you posted proving the existence of the IAMPF being in the Green Zone is an Actuarial Value and is not in question except for the dates. The first sentence stating that the fund has been green ever since 2006, again an Actuarial Value. In 2012 which is after 2006 and not yet 2018 almost 2019, which makes the audit by Credit Suisse valid by the dates and your borrowed first sentence of 2006.
If you had a solid document it would have recognized the Fair Market Value ( which the people must live under in a world of reality ) of the IAMPF and who is the author of the document you posted as in the likes of Credit Suisse?

 

[Buck]

Dude, are you telling this forum that you were elected, and authorized by the LAA membership to function as a representative on their behalf? Are you officially authorized to relay their sentiments regarding this matter? What is your official position and title within the TWU?

Weez... is Buck an officer within the TWU?

Weez... I think the whole plan backfired -- all their tactics did, was make the association more resolute!

You could have asked me I would have told you I am not an officer, but dues paying member. I guess you are saying that officers are better than the membership?
If you facebook and ask your question do not believe that LAA doesn't want in the IAMPF start asking around or better yet have an officer get the memberships phone numbers and start calling them.

What plan backfired?

There are a lot of TWU loyalists when it comes to Industrial Unionism, but start messing with their money and see what happens. Answer me this, does the IAMPF take money from other members of the Fund to shore up the fund from time to time? How many companies employees participate in the IAMPF? No, I am not authorized to relay anything because the TWU locks the membership down and does not communicate with them. What political party have you been told to vote for tomorrow? A more resolute Association? Are you an officer?

 

[Buck]

I am not I just admitted we are stuck with them. Too many people don't give a ****, and could care less. The rest drank the cool aide along time ago. Your hate of industrial unions will not get you an industry leading contract with Parker, with some b.s. Union no one has ever heard of. It takes tons and tons of money to fight. In reality AMFA doesn't have a lot of cash reserves. I just want to get 18 to 19- more years in, or less and retire.

Those that are members in the AMFA could find the answer to your question on Cash Reserves, something the Industrial Unions hide from their members.

 

[Buck]

So essentially, it would be safe to say that "Buck", and a dude that claims to be from Delta, along with a few other anonymous posters here (whom may or may not be management, or management proxies) are NOT actually representing the membership.

Basically, they are like Tim claiming to "be in charge"-- and have self appointed themselves to vicariously leading the entire workgroup from a PC connected to the internet...

You don't have to a genius to see the tactics here. Unfortunately for them, they have severely underestimated the intelligence of the membership.
Hell, they have f-ing INSULTED both the membership's resolve, and intelligence!

Not gonna work folks!

>SPIT<

I am just a member in good standing for now. Fleet Service might have the resolve you are speaking of, but everyday the mechanics of LAA are losing money because Fleet will not settle.I hope you do well.

 

[Buck]

Good now you can get down to business. Might be 2 to 3-years hope not, but better than pie in the sky ideas, some people try to distract people. I am a realistic.

Are you telling the truth concerning your political affiliation? Do the Teamsters know about your secret?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I am just a member in good standing for now.

For now?

 

[Buck]

I'll alert all government oversight agencies, along with wall street, that a sock puppet with a cigarette hanging from it's mouth has self appointed full authority over them, and has deemed the plan insolvent...

>SPIT<

Would you care to share your phone list of all of the Government Oversight Agencies?

 

[WeAAsles]

everyday the mechanics of LAA are losing money because Fleet will not settle.

Wrong.

 

[AANOTOK]

I am just a member in good standing for now. Fleet Service might have the resolve you are speaking of, but everyday the mechanics of LAA are losing money because Fleet will not settle.I hope you do well.

Really Buck, you’re losing money every day because Fleet won’t settle? News to me. And by the way, I’m Fleet and I’m losing money daily as well.

 

[B737 driver]

Are you telling the truth concerning your political affiliation? Do the Teamsters know about your secret?

Always been a Republican, that votes independent.