American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[NYer]

why not? it wouldn't have hurt to lobby for it, out of contract.

the pilots union will tell anyone who will listen that their profit sharing is anemic and they want it improved, out of contract.

Why not?

You can scream all you want, but there are higher priority issues at the moment.

The Mechanics have been vocal about that disparity but by the airline adding the 2.5 HW pay for 10 HW to their public offering, it has actually weakened their position as some would jump at the shiny item before them.

 

[NYer]

bolonga. and that isn't a snide remark at current senior management. Fact is, when things turned, they turned for everybody. The only way lus got their increases was from the increase in revenues. Look we are being held up, by one thing only and its not the medical, it's not medical, and its not deicing. You aren't going to accomplish anything either unless you take a stand, a hard stand against it. Look there's been a major substantial improvement in wages, and now a match. With any increase in those measurements of course their will be some trade offs. If will go to arbitration, we have nothing, nothing to gain. GET REAL.

Sorry. Don't understand your point.

 

[Jester]

FYI the deal that is on the table NOW, with all the financial goodies added up equates to $37.83

Bob knows you want the goodies and when the job gets fun, as he explains the professional glory to P. Rez of having a joint contract regardless as to the impact upon small station friends.

 

[1AA]

They probably have scope on the amount and how many passengers they could carry

Funny you mentioned scope. I asked a pilot about this. They are restricted to capacity. Seems like someone forgot about the range these RJ's can now fly.
No scope violation as long as they stay under contractual capacity. So theoretically if an RJ can fly coast to coast and stay under capacity as outlined in their scope it can be done. This is why scope is so important and it must be thorough in language or else it's just words on paper.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Crandall brought us American Eagle and Eagle Ground Services to work them, but he's revered for some reason.

Don't know if you've noticed but LAA doesn't seem keen on expanding employment.

IMO, the TWU is also to blame there. The TWU brought in the B scale in this industry. Initially they told Crandall to go F himself but then Crandal offered them automatic recognition at Envoy if the TWU would sign off on the B scale. For more dues, it did. Nobody at envoy EVER voted in a union vote.

Fast forward, there are a lot of TWU members like BOb that I've talked to. I respect them. I just have a different perspective. Bob isn't the only one. That is why I don't want Alex and Sito bringing this for a vote. I honestly believe the last company offer will pass with no problem in fleet, especially if they up the bonus. I'm uncomfortable with that offer passing although the health care doesn't affect me much since I'm single and only one on my health care. Just the principle of giving up what we have at LUS when we came so far to get it all.

 

[Tim Nelson]

FYI the deal that is on the table NOW, with all the financial goodies added up equates to $37.83

fwiw. see what happens when you say you are voting yes? you get hammered. Look, im not going to call you names like the others, but i also know you are in the vast majority insomuch that i think few fleet would support a picket or rally. I think the association knows that.
But even though many lus would even vote yes to grab the money....THE OFFER SUCKS.
Why pay dues if we dont keep pt restrictions and good health care?

I can string together shift swaps for a 6th week of vacation.

Bob, im hoping we dont get to vot. I think our mx generally are pissed off and may vote it down but very few rampers are upset and are wondering why they cant vote plus too many of the younger ones are excited about the $3,000.
Im usually big on democracy, but for reasons above, i hope there isnt a vote on that offer.

 

[737823]

Tim if LUS stays in the IAMNPF in the current form what are the long-term implications?

Josh

 

[CremaDiLimone]

You can scream all you want, but there are higher priority issues at the moment.

the summer of 2014 is not at the moment.

who's screaming? the twu should have made a stink, lobbied for it. the company had no problem giving us an out of contract raise in 2016.

the pilots are still moaning and whining about PS..the squeaky wheel gets the oil.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

IMO, the TWU is also to blame there. The TWU brought in the B scale in this industry.

i was in high school when lorenzo bought continental...but when i got hired, i heard the stories. even in more 'labor-friendly' times of the early 1980s, pilots crossed the line.

blame the twu/aa, but i'd say that what happened with lorenzo/continental, set the table...and the 'b' scale was reactionary.

i applaud the iam for looking out for it's members' seniority...but the iam had your wages at $20/hr just a few years ago?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Funny you mentioned scope. I asked a pilot about this. They are restricted to capacity. Seems like someone forgot about the range these RJ's can now fly.
No scope violation as long as they stay under contractual capacity. So theoretically if an RJ can fly coast to coast and stay under capacity as outlined in their scope it can be done. This is why scope is so important and it must be thorough in language or else it's just words on paper.

this is why i was for the merger. horton and his cornerstone plan would have focused on eagle. keep aa in an incubator..3rd largest airline, guaranteeing the top level execs. their paydays.

parker was hot for growing and i saw my station lose ALL mainline flights to canada and eagle flying to pdx/slc/jfk. enough of that nonsense...give me a merger.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Captains in my army never admit when they're wrong

 

[bob@las-AA]

fwiw. see what happens when you say you are voting yes? you get hammered. Look, im not going to call you names like the others, but i also know you are in the vast majority insomuch that i think few fleet would support a picket or rally. I think the association knows that.
But even though many lus would even vote yes to grab the money....THE OFFER SUCKS.
Why pay dues if we dont keep pt restrictions and good health care?

I can string together shift swaps for a 6th week of vacation.

Bob, im hoping we dont get to vot. I think our mx generally are pissed off and may vote it down but very few rampers are upset and are wondering why they cant vote plus too many of the younger ones are excited about the $3,000.
Im usually big on democracy, but for reasons above, i hope there isnt a vote on that offer.

Hammered? when did that happen? if you are referring to that little jab jester make with a backup video? no that was nothing.

 

[cltrat]

Top out on LUS as of 9/14 was 23.00

 

[anotherdelay]

Sorry. Don't understand your point.

my main point is, there's no winning without some give backs. One side has been rumored to already agreed to some give backs. Let alone their healthcare. the answer is tough but simple, your being deluded by the other union too if you don't wake up to the fight. GP is about to lose too. Early outs are the best for everyone as long as full time/ot saved for members.

 

[wings396]

i was in high school when lorenzo bought continental...but when i got hired, i heard the stories. even in more 'labor-friendly' times of the early 1980s, pilots crossed the line.

blame the twu/aa, but i'd say that what happened with lorenzo/continental, set the table...and the 'b' scale was reactionary.

i applaud the iam for looking out for it's members' seniority...but the iam had your wages at $20/hr just a few years ago?

And your wages were?
Also FWIW, Crandall and his innovative "B" scale took place prior to Lorenzo