American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[AANOTOK]

The funny part to this whole thing is that the IAM has one story, the TWU has another, and a$$ has yet another one, and then there is the company.

And that translate to a clusterf***.

 

[P. REZ]

Rez is so full dung, I can smell it here, YOU knew full well that your cheap Health, and catering were on the chopping block along with our deicing, yet you blindly trust your benevolent union, I will say this, the company does want 4500-5000 MX out the door, and from witch side they will come from is anyone's guess. Parker never said anything about cutting head count with the exception of MX

Lol, you can lead a horse to water............but? So catering is MX?

P. Rez

 

[P. REZ]

"The company wants a minimum of 17% of our jobs" That's a lie.

"The company wants to cut insurance for 10000 employees" That's a lie.

"The company wants to pocket our money when employees don't contribute to the 401k." That's a lie.

"They are offering a contract that is cost negative to cost neutral." That's a lie.

Keep spreading that propaganda dude, I stopped listening to you and your buddy CB along time ago. You two offer noting factual in the way of updates or otherwise.

17% of our jobs between fleet and MX is true. I even let Isom have it on the cost savings of that alone which would make this contract cost neutral or negative. You know what his reply was? Nothing, not one f****** word. No denial, no, you are wrong Pat, nothing.

The company wants to take LUS insurance and give us LAA insurance, that's a cut.

What does the company do with the match money in the 401k if you don't put your % into it? They pocket it but charge us as if we all put in the Max.

Bob, I know you're an IGM guy but don't be naive on the reality of this deal. You can't fake math.

P. Rez

 

[AANOTOK]

So what's the plan P.Rez...sit on our hands until section 6? The Association threatened to unleash their immense amount of resources. Why wait, let's do it whatever that is. We (TWU) are losing daily. Let's stop the bleeding and do the unleashing...no negotiations are planned...Lets go!

 

[robbedagain]

bob youre so full of it dude DP aint nothing but a cheapskate clown who makes promises and then breaks them and he is nothing more than a clueless idiot as is the rest of mgmt. theyre making billions yet they want jobs no way in he!! should the union give up he!! parker stated to everyone AA will never lose money again

 

[conehead777]

Rez is so full dung, I can smell it here, YOU knew full well that your cheap Health, and catering were on the chopping block along with our deicing, yet you blindly trust your benevolent union, I will say this, the company does want 4500-5000 MX out the door, and from witch side they will come from is anyone's guess. Parker never said anything about cutting head count with the exception of MX

you live in a fantasy world there bob. Parker wants to cut all departments. Let me tell you about the mx numbers of mechanics in that number is facilitys and automotive . Face it bob fleet is no closer then maint getting a contract .

 

[B737 driver]

you live in a fantasy world there bob. Parker wants to cut all departments. Let me tell you about the mx numbers of mechanics in that number is facilitys and automotive . Face it bob fleet is no closer then maint getting a contract .

The sad thing is they will string it out, like they did ours, then make a deal. If this deal passes with us , the vote approving it, will probably be in the low 50s to maybe 60 %. We have never overwhelmingly voted down a contract. They recommended a no vote in 2008 and it passed.

 

[737823]

P. Rez just wants to manage your expectations downward. I mean face it, coming up on FIVE (5) years since the transaction closed and other work groups will soon be exchanging openers for a new section six agreement. This alliance/association has been a disaster for everyone and was a desperation move on the part of the AFL-CIO, TWU, and IAM. The only raises LAA has gotten came from the generosity of the company not the bargaining efforts of the a$$osciation no one got to vote on.

The IAM-TWU association is never short on excuses but always short on results.

Josh

 

[Racer X]

"The company wants a minimum of 17% of our jobs" That's a lie.

"The company wants to cut insurance for 10000 employees" That's a lie.

"The company wants to pocket our money when employees don't contribute to the 401k." That's a lie.

"They are offering a contract that is cost negative to cost neutral." That's a lie.

Keep spreading that propaganda dude, I stopped listening to you and your buddy CB along time ago. You two offer noting factual in the way of updates or otherwise.

You really don’t have any idea what you are saying do you?
Approx 5,000 assoc jobs outsourced. Absolutely true
Cut medical for 10000 IAM members
ABSOLUTELY TRUE...I Have no idea how you can deny this....
Company pocket money on 401k...
ABSOLUTELY TRUE.. company knows that not 100% of employees will contribute their own money into a match account. So they save on that and put it in their pocket because they say it will cost us that amount IF EVERY INDIVIDUAL WOULD CONTRIBUTE THE MAX AMOUNT...knowing full well that will NEVER EVER happen..
Cost negative to cost neutral.....
Of course that’s true by the savings they receive on outsourcing jobs, eliminating catering, eliminating cargo in non hub cities, and getting rid of their costs including the OT burden for deicing.

Wake up!

 

[P. REZ]

P. Rez just wants to manage your expectations downward. I mean face it, coming up on FIVE (5) years since the transaction closed and other work groups will soon be exchanging openers for a new section six agreement. This alliance/association has been a disaster for everyone and was a desperation move on the part of the AFL-CIO, TWU, and IAM. The only raises LAA has gotten came from the generosity of the company not the bargaining efforts of the a$$osciation no one got to vote on.

The IAM-TWU association is never short on excuses but always short on results.

Josh

Yes, let's look at the 3 other contracts. The pilots and f/a's both blew it when they agreed to binding arbitration. They both had to beg to get additions after the fact. I haven't met a f/a happy with their agreement yet. Haven't met a pax agent happy with their agreement either. We can settle on a cost neutral/ negative contract or not. I choose NOT.

P. Rez

 

[WeAAsles]

Apr 21, 2018

Fleet MATH as to why it will not pass IMO.

But first I want to hit this “frustration” line being floated. I’m on multiple Social Media pages and it just doesn’t exist. For those who are currently at $65,000 there isn’t exactly a fantastical reason to have frustrations. (Maybe slight aggravation’s yes) So no I don’t see this overwhelming emotion that’s being sold here.

Now MATH for this sub par offer.

27% IAM side is being offered essentially nothing but takeaways. So I see that as an overwhelming no vote there.

TWU All East Coast, Central and Mid West cities love the OT that the Winter Season And Deicing brings. So that and the changes to the OT language will bring an overwhelming no. NYC, BOS and ORD are all strong Union towns that WON’T accept job loss.

TWU MIA could be shaky on both the CS and OT change. So with no real wage increases and that piece could cause problems here. We do have a lot of New Hires who WILL jump on the $3000 though.

The wages myself and others have pointed out are terrible. .22 cents and 2% per year will easily put us in last place against our peers for the entirety of the agreement from next year on. Yes let’s not pretend here, people do focus on wages.

(EDIT HERE: Haven’t see anything yet discussing any more in wages than the 3% whatever line and until otherwise it’s still only .22 cents)

(2ND EDIT HERE: The “When and where so directed” line on jobs. Lavatory and Water servicing. Anyone done the math how many job functions that would be systemwide? The Lavs is all current TWU work I believe?)

The good is not enough to outweigh all the bad. And that’s not to say some of it isn’t “good” Great NO, Good yes.

Holidays, Good
Extra Vacation only over 30 years, stinks
Sick time, Meh
IOD time, Yuck (We used to have 80 days)
401k Match, Good but could be better.

The Buyout offer should be outside any agreement.

From there I’d be very interested in the fine print regarding work rules?

So now since people here on this site insist on doing this I want to see a detailed broken down analysis on why they see it passing. Keep your emotions and fluff in check and give me your own Mathematical breakdown on how you would get to your pass vote?

(3RD EDIT: So you want to vote on something that I know WON’T be endorsed by either Union and after which would probably waste Months setting up and going through the process not to mention the total waste of time? AND the emotions!!!! I think you put this out for a vote and maybe even some fists start flying) JMO, IMO.

Now can some of you crazy Kooks chill out and let me relax man? You’re ruining my zen man and I have a beverage here.

 

[P. REZ]

So what's the plan P.Rez...sit on our hands until section 6? The Association threatened to unleash their immense amount of resources. Why wait, let's do it whatever that is. We (TWU) are losing daily. Let's stop the bleeding and do the unleashing...no negotiations are planned...Lets go!

AANOTOK,

I hear you, sorry for not having any info for you at this moment.

P. Rez

 

[ALUS78]

So what's the plan P.Rez...sit on our hands until section 6? The Association threatened to unleash their immense amount of resources. Why wait, let's do it whatever that is. We (TWU) are losing daily. Let's stop the bleeding and do the unleashing...no negotiations are planned...Lets go!

I dont want to be around when they unleash those resources, no not me

 

[ALUS78]

P. Rez just wants to manage your expectations downward. I mean face it, coming up on FIVE (5) years since the transaction closed and other work groups will soon be exchanging openers for a new section six agreement. This alliance/association has been a disaster for everyone and was a desperation move on the part of the AFL-CIO, TWU, and IAM. The only raises LAA has gotten came from the generosity of the company not the bargaining efforts of the a$$osciation no one got to vote on.

The IAM-TWU association is never short on excuses but always short on results.

Josh

I said it before and ill say it again Josh rules

 

[Kev3188]

The company wants to pocket our money when employees don't contribute to the 401k.

Maybe the answer is to push for a higher fixed contribution then?

Either way-and regardless of the progress of these talks- the Association should be doing a full court press on making sure all members understand what a match entails, and how they can get that "free" money in their accounts.