American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[PIEDMONT784]

your hate never ceases to amaze me. Most claim that you are 700 and I presume you are because 700 can't stay away

Hate? And this comes from a man that hates Unions, and Democrates...
And dude, you can call me 800...

 

[Tim Nelson]

Hate? And this comes from a man that hates Unions, and Democrates...
And dude, you can call me 800...

I don't dislike Democrats. Democrats = Republicans nowadays. No difference other than the leftist democrats are just commies. I love unions but hate corporate greed. Corporate greed has infested all of the industrial top level unions. Our members have paid a severe price because of it within the IAM Grand Lodge. And our pension will be depleted eventually to crumbs. The only thing left that we have is our health care but Sito and Mr Baskett will not stand in the way of that. After that, there will be nothing distinct about being union, as opposed to Delta, other than paying $800 a year for crapola.

 

[Racer X]

I'm sorry but what do those 50 employee companies have to do with Major Airlines? See, this is the problem. You and your handlers have no concept of what context we are negotiating in.

In truncated mode, here is the context. Parker is smply asking CB and Sito to approve the same health care they approved over at United. If you are Parker, why would you ask for less when these two hooodlums already knifed their members with 400% health care increases. At the time, CB hammered me as he said United had nothing to do with American. Unfortunately, he didn't listen when I tried to explain why I was campaigning against his mid term bonus at United and his 400% health care increases there. I tried to tell him that this industry is tied together and his ineptness at United would cost us plenty here. Unfortuantely, he just don't listen and we are in this unfortunate predicament awaiting a complete disaster.

Damn....I didn’t know CB got a mid term bonus at UNITED!!!!!

 

[charlie Brown]

I don't dislike Democrats. Democrats = Republicans nowadays. No difference other than the leftist democrats are just commies. I love unions but hate corporate greed. Corporate greed has infested all of the industrial top level unions. Our members have paid a severe price because of it within the IAM Grand Lodge. And our pension will be depleted eventually to crumbs. The only thing left that we have is our health care but Sito and Mr Baskett will not stand in the way of that. After that, there will be nothing distinct about being union, as opposed to Delta, other than paying $800 a year for crapola.

Let’s see if your capable of this. Why dont you start supporting us keeping our health insurance instead of saying we are giving it up. You prove me right with every post on how you are your own worst enemy.

 

[Buck]

Somewhere I saw where Tim Nelson said that if this came to a vote, he would vote no and was very clear that his reason was the IAM Health Insurance.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

In truncated mode, here is the context. Parker is smply asking CB and Sito to approve the same health care they approved over at United. If you are Parker, why would you ask for less when these two hooodlums already knifed their members with 400% health care increases.

if that is the case, why doesn't CB tell parker that the assoc. now expects to aa fleet to work regionals in hubs and get ua's PS thresholds in exchange for the lus insurance?

would that be a fair trade-off for you? we're talking thousands of jobs..let them demolish catering 5x's over.

would CB be out of line to expect less?

 

[Rusty Hilock]

The share of Fortune’s best companies that still pay for 100% of employee’s healthcare has dropped to 9% this year from a peak of 34% in 2001. (Read: These 9 Companies Offer 100% Healthcare Coverage) That big drop represents a broader workplace trend — employees are covering more of their health insurance premiums than in previous years. Workers with employer-sponsored health plans now contribute an average of 18% of the premium for single coverage and 29% of the premium for family coverage, according to a study by the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation.

http://fortune.com/2016/03/30/employer-paid-health-insurance-is-dying-off/

You actually made a positive contribution of ideas to this thread. I better check myself for a fever.

 

[WeAAsles]

You actually made a positive contribution of ideas to this thread. I better check myself for a fever.

I bat one about every 4 weeks. And I also noticed (Company plant) how you conveniently left the next part out.

“Ok so according to this article the average Company Healthcare subsidy for a single is 18% of the Premium and yet under LAA thanks to the BK I’m paying what they claim is 21% of the cost.

Families also supposedly pay 21% and the average is 29% so that certainly sounds like a bargain.

What I would like to know from either CB, P. Rez, NYer (Known Leaders here) and Racer X or (Haven’t seen him in a while) RealityCk (Suspected Leaders to me) do you guys receive any of the Financial disclosures from the Company that state what they paid out in Medical expenditures for the prior year so we know that what they claim is our portion (Percentage) for the following year is a legitimate disclosure?

In other words in both the IAM and the TWU who guards the Henhouse? Who watches that the Company isn’t skimming anything off the top?”

 

[Tim Nelson]

Let’s see if your capable of this. Why dont you start supporting us keeping our health insurance instead of saying we are giving it up. You prove me right with every post on how you are your own worst enemy.

It's not a game to me. I've been supporting our health care AND United's health care from day one. You voted to toss United's health care in the garbage and I was out campaigning against their anti union deal you voted upon. You said on here that that wasn't your fight. Really?

Well now, you dopes realize that Parker is only asking you to approve of something you already approved of at United. From his perspective, why would he not want fair treatment? You clowns waived off part time caps over there as well, and now you are crying that Parker wants to loosen part time here. How about you look in the damn mirror and reflect on all of the dopey decisions you made that are now coming back to haunt us?

You, sir, are our enemy. You hosed United, and you will surely not protect our health care here. And obviously, you go pretty silent on this awful IAM pension as well. You only say and do what you are told. That's the difference between me and you. I'm proud of everything I have done and you can't even enforce the contract you have as you idiots have back to back part time but the original language is lost on you knuckleheads because you just don't listen.

Carry on!

 

[Tim Nelson]

if that is the case, why doesn't CB tell parker that the assoc. now expects to aa fleet to work regionals in hubs and get ua's PS thresholds in exchange for the lus insurance?

would that be a fair trade-off for you? we're talking thousands of jobs..let them demolish catering 5x's over.

would CB be out of line to expect less?

The problem at United is that these idiots really didn't get the scope they said they got. There is a ''witch's hourglass' that runs out of time in 2024 at United which will potentially get rid of every single ramp job like at Alaska. Same language that these fools put in the United agreement. Hopefully, United management decides to keep all of our brothers and sisters beyond 2024. The only thing holding it up will be the provisions where they have to allow the IAM to bid on the work as well. At any rate, I'm talking mainline ramp as well in such places as EWR, IAH, ORD. There is no scope after 2024 unless United signs a commitment past that date.

CB said that United deal wasn't any of his business, so he stayed out of it but gave his Pollyanna yes vote on the eboard so it could be unanimous. CB also approved $25 a day while he isn't traveling, and approved to crank up his slush fund to $300 a month for him to take out his key arse kissers. So when you see him laying down his credit card, WE are paying for it. Gosh forbid he use any of his $120,000 salary. Dude expenses his health care cost also, which is illegal.

I used to think CB was a nice guy until I had to B Slap him once again with the DOL as he violated member rights. I tried telling him nicely on here but he just didn't listen. He never listens. That's his problem. Stubborn dude.

 

[Rusty Hilock]

I bat one about every 4 weeks. And I also noticed (Company plant) how you conveniently left the next part out.

“Ok so according to this article the average Company Healthcare subsidy for a single is 18% of the Premium and yet under LAA thanks to the BK I’m paying what they claim is 21% of the cost.

Families also supposedly pay 21% and the average is 29% so that certainly sounds like a bargain.

What I would like to know from either CB, P. Rez, NYer (Known Leaders here) and Racer X or (Haven’t seen him in a while) RealityCk (Suspected Leaders to me) do you guys receive any of the Financial disclosures from the Company that state what they paid out in Medical expenditures for the prior year so we know that what they claim is our portion (Percentage) for the following year is a legitimate disclosure?

In other words in both the IAM and the TWU who guards the Henhouse? Who watches that the Company isn’t skimming anything off the top?”

If you are referring to me as the"Company Plant" [You] then it APPEARS you are suffering from a case of Paranoia.

Paranoia = suspicion and mistrust of people or their actions without evidence or justification.

 

[Rusty Hilock]

JCBA Now!

Everyone Else: Section 6 = Get You Some!

 

[Tim Nelson]

overheard some pilots talking on our bus about survey proposals and upcoming negotiations. I cant believe it, all the other groups are coming back to the table for more, already?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

if that is the case, why doesn't CB tell parker that the assoc. now expects to aa fleet to work regionals in hubs and get ua's PS thresholds in exchange for the lus insurance?

would that be a fair trade-off for you? we're talking thousands of jobs..let them demolish catering 5x's over.

would CB be out of line to expect less?

You know when a layoff is coming and numbers are released how everyone rushes to the employee list to see if they have enough people under them so THEY don't get hit?

That is how you should vote on a contract.

I literally had a senior employee try to convince to to vote myself out of a job because she thought the company was going to offer a 5 and 5.

What I learned from my time in the UNION is a senior employee may preach UNIONism to you but they really see you as nothing more than a layoff buffer and a sacrificial lamb for an early out package. There is no real unity.

That being said, your vote should be for what is the best deal for YOU and YOUR situation.

Sacrificing pay and benefits for the collective is a losing strategy. History has proven that again and again. YOU vote for YOU.

Even if you are a selfless UNION supporter do you really think you are doing a junior employee any favors when you allow the company to reduce pay and benefits piece by piece? What is the use of saving jobs if those jobs are not worth having?

 

[Rusty Hilock]

overheard some pilots talking on our bus about survey proposals and upcoming negotiations. I cant believe it, all the other groups are coming back to the table for more, already?

Yep, and guess what. We will be pushed to the back burner by the Company because the Pilots and F/A's contract will take priority over ours. The Contract Revisit Clauses are coming Due Again [Every 24 -36 months] and The Association could care less if you go several more years under the current POS
Chapter 11 TWU Contact.
More YEARS without 10 Holidays and 6 weeks Vacation and 9% 401K and Delta +3.

It sure makes a lot of sense to me: Give up over $20,000 in Wages and benefit Increases to save $13,200 on LUS Health care.
[Approx numbers for 2 years]

JCBA NOW!