American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[NYer]

So 6 months is from January to July, and then July to January? Do sick days count as days worked? Vacation? What if you haven't worked in 2 months, does your union dues and/or health cost still get deducted? Sounds interesting. I know it's already been TA'd but interesting.

There are certain pay codes where you don't work but can get credited. Usually time missed due to injury on duty isn't used against you even if it means you don't make the 50%.

Your medical is deducted when you get back to work but dues have to be paid directly to Local.

 

[Jester]

So 6 months is from January to July, and then July to January? Do sick days count as days worked? Vacation? What if you haven't worked in 2 months, does your union dues and/or health cost still get deducted? Sounds interesting. I know it's already been TA'd but interesting.

I have kind of pondered that question myself as with employees who are on extended leave due to medical issues or worse yet, terminal illness and life insurance benefits. I assume if one on medical leave, then the employee would still be making monthly payments for their share of health insurance, right? What if someone to be diagnosed with a terminal illness and unable to work, but still technically an employee? Would the life insurance proceeds still be available for the family, and for how long after the employee last worked? Obviously, if someone gorks on the job there would be standard company life insurance, but another thing when it is a lengthy illness?

 

[NYer]

I have kind of pondered that question myself as with employees who are on extended leave due to medical issues or worse yet, terminal illness and life insurance benefits. I assume if one on medical leave, then the employee would still be making monthly payments for their share of health insurance, right? What if someone to be diagnosed with a terminal illness and unable to work, but still technically an employee? Would the life insurance proceeds still be available for the family, and for how long after the employee last worked? Obviously, if someone gorks on the job there would be standard company life insurance, but another thing when it is a lengthy illness?

When they come off payroll, they get billed their share of the premiums to continue coverage.

 

[Jester]

When they come off payroll, they get billed their share of the premiums to continue coverage.

How and who determine when one is no longer on payroll? Hypothetically, let's say an employee has chemo for a year with an uncertain outcome, and unable to work-- on payroll, off payroll or something in-between?

 

[737823]

The IAM has over 500K members, with the TWU a little over 100K.

But on a per capita basis the TWU is better capitalized and in a stronger capital position. When appointed unions officials discuss leadership for the single joint entity do “career expectations” ever come up?

Perhaps the reason is the TWU doesn’t have a sprawling campus full of golf courses, swimming pools in some “education center” or a private jet. Local presidents of TWU locals make less than half what an IAM AGC makes and do more work. Not here to defend the TWU but it has a much better track record of success than the IAM both within and beyond the airline industry.

Josh

 

[gulfcoast1]

At least for LAA, you go off payroll when you exhaust your accrued VC and sick time. If you have a lot of sick time, you can stay on for a while at least this is the way I understand it.

 

[AANOTOK]

Deleted for unsure if info was factual.

 

[Buck]

How and who determine when one is no longer on payroll? Hypothetically, let's say an employee has chemo for a year with an uncertain outcome, and unable to work-- on payroll, off payroll or something in-between?

In 2010, after a kidney transplant, I was out and no sick time or vacation, at that time I was told that 5 days without something to cover you, I was removed from the payroll. After about 12 documents between the doctor and AA Medical, I was turned back on after being fingerprinted at the Tulsa Airport.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The IAM has over 500K members, with the TWU a little over 100K.

TWU is growing. IAM Is losing active members. TWU has 135,000 actives I think?? IAM is down to 330,000 actives. IAM has a warchest

 

[Tim Nelson]

In 2010, after a kidney transplant, I was out and no sick time or vacation, at that time I was told that 5 days without something to cover you, I was removed from the payroll. After about 12 documents between the doctor and AA Medical, I was turned back on after being fingerprinted at the Tulsa Airport.

So did that mean you lost your medical? When we are off payroll (unpaid status), we stay on the current contribution schedule for up to 9 months prior to having to go on cobra.

 

[NYer]

How and who determine when one is no longer on payroll? Hypothetically, let's say an employee has chemo for a year with an uncertain outcome, and unable to work-- on payroll, off payroll or something in-between?

If they're on some type of leave. In your example the Member would probably be on a sick leave.

 

[NYer]

But on a per capita basis the TWU is better capitalized and in a stronger capital position. When appointed unions officials discuss leadership for the single joint entity do “career expectations” ever come up?

Perhaps the reason is the TWU doesn’t have a sprawling campus full of golf courses, swimming pools in some “education center” or a private jet. Local presidents of TWU locals make less than half what an IAM AGC makes and do more work. Not here to defend the TWU but it has a much better track record of success than the IAM both within and beyond the airline industry.

Josh

Your bias notwithstanding.

 

[Tim Nelson]

But on a per capita basis the TWU is better capitalized and in a stronger capital position. When appointed unions officials discuss leadership for the single joint entity do “career expectations” ever come up?

Perhaps the reason is the TWU doesn’t have a sprawling campus full of golf courses, swimming pools in some “education center” or a private jet. Local presidents of TWU locals make less than half what an IAM AGC makes and do more work. Not here to defend the TWU but it has a much better track record of success than the IAM both within and beyond the airline industry.

Josh

agc pay is $123,000. 2 pensions. short and long term disability/ health care....all 100% paid for by members. Baskett continues to expense his health care contribution to his members illegally. Dude pimps his members and cant even pay his contribution as he is suppose to.
They also approved $25 daily per diem when they are in their own house, and get a $300 monthly allowance to go get drunk with their committee or pollyannas once a month.
Then some of you bozos think they still care about your healthcare. Watch.

 

[AANOTOK]

I'm thinking I'm a no vote unless AA decides to unfreeze our pension. Regardless of what Healthcare we eventually end up with.

 

[NYer]

I'm thinking I'm a no vote unless AA decides to unfreeze our pension. Regardless of what Healthcare we eventually end up with.

Not happening.