American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[CremaDiLimone]

The sweetener in wages was the Company placing the almost newly minted SWA Mechanics Wages into the conversation.

In Fleet the top of the industry isn’t SWA but UAL.

Again if you listen to the Podcast Tom Regan conveyed that the Association is asking for a 10% Contribution to our 401K for all in exchange for the Company backing away from the IAMNPF.

right...that's the late sweetener for AMTs, and a very sweet one at that.

where's the sweetener for laa fsc after the company wants to throw an additional $3k/extend an additional year of superior insurance to lus?

our sweetener is more 401k? that's for everyone.

 

[WeAAsles]

right...that's the late sweetener for AMTs, and a very sweet one at that.

where's the sweetener for laa fsc after the company wants to throw an additional $3k/extend an additional year of superior insurance to lus?

our sweetener is more 401k? that's for everyone.

Again Crema if we go by just Wages there are no sweeteners sitting out there since it’s the Company position that at least on DOS we will be the highest paid in the Industry.

Offering the IAM the additional $3000 and extra year is only meant to piss us off on the TWU side and get us to thrown rocks at IAM people.

I don’t fall for the Company’s blatant and obvious attempts to divide us.

 

[WeAAsles]

our sweetener is more 401k? that's for everyone.

That is what the Association last proposed to the Company. That has nothing to do with anything the Company has offered.

 

[Vortilon]

Apples and oranges their company never lost money ours did ... big time

Really, not sure I follow your logic. You ripped AMFA for walking the dog for 7 years of negotiating with SWA. I pointed out that nobody in AMFA was suffering while this was going on. Somehow, because AA lost money a long time ago - that's justification for our current predicament?

 

[ALUS78]

your post proves my point exactly. a microcosm for whats been going on for years now. two supposed union leaders going in different directions and neither wants to give in. therefore, they should either separate, letting LAA keep their stations and negotiate solo for a contract and US can battle on their own for their medical, pension, catering etc. Or let the members decide on one rep. And we'll send a shop steward your way to help you so you don't have to "flip through cards"

Seperate unions seperate contracts? Now you're being silly

 

[WeAAsles]

Really, not sure I follow your logic. You ripped AMFA for walking the dog for 7 years of negotiating with SWA. I pointed out that nobody in AMFA was suffering while this was going on. Somehow, because AA lost money a long time ago - that's justification for our current predicament?

No one in the TWU was suffering over there at SWA either you do know.

So do you think maybe it could be the Airlines themselves that tell the REAL story?

NAH. Can’t say that. Doesn’t fit the agenda

 

[bigjets]

https://www.fox23.com/news/contract-talks-between-american-airlines-mechanics-halt/746176383

I wish Danker was the Association spokesperson.

I don’t think signs in Tulsa will convince the flying public of the USA, to fly only USA overhauled airliners.

Maybe it’s time for the association to have a vote, you know, one union one voice. Doesn’t appear the two different unions can be satisfied by AA. Especially since one union has no reason or want of a new contract.

 

[robbedagain]

From the company's propaganda offer dca if we were to vote wld reject that offer largely bec of scope

 

[Deleted member 14439]

https://www.fox23.com/news/contract-talks-between-american-airlines-mechanics-halt/746176383

I wish Danker was the Association spokesperson.

I don’t think signs in Tulsa will convince the flying public of the USA, to fly only USA overhauled airliners.

Maybe it’s time for the association to have a vote, you know, one union one voice. Doesn’t appear the two different unions can be satisfied by AA. Especially since one union has no reason or want of a new contract.

A vote on representation? You're out of order brother.

 

[Vortilon]

No one in the TWU was suffering over there at SWA either you do know.

So do you think maybe it could be the Airlines themselves that tell the REAL story?

NAH. Can’t say that. Doesn’t fit the agenda

I would call working under our current contract suffering. I suppose it should come as no surprise that you think losing sick time accrual, losing sick pay, losing 2 weeks of vacation, losing 5 holidays, no holiday pay, losing longevity pay, no shift differential, no more penalty hours; hell, I could keep going. That may not be suffering where you come from. How would you describe our last 15 years under this TWU engineered contract? Embarrassing? Unfortunate? Disgraceful would be appropriate.

 

[swamt]

Really, not sure I follow your logic. You ripped AMFA for walking the dog for 7 years of negotiating with SWA. I pointed out that nobody in AMFA was suffering while this was going on. Somehow, because AA lost money a long time ago - that's justification for our current predicament?

Not only he, but weez too slammed AMFA for going 7 years, hell I slammed both sides for going the 7 years myself.
As far as weez is concerned he better watch how he tosses in glass houses. With this asso and co. going on what 5-6 years now? Still no end in sight AND co. still wanting all that outsourcing. As far as outsourcing goes AMFA did very well to hold on to what we got. We lost NOTHING more than the co. was already outsourcing. Kept all the C-checks, intermediate, H-ron, Line ron, and overnight maint. What more do you want?? Also our co. will be hiring a lot of heads if this contract passes the memberships vote, including hiring in Dallas, which we haven't seen for years.
To keep everything we kept and also all the protections and jobs with headcount increasing, I will take that any day. Even if I knew I was gonna have to wait 7 years as long as the membership holds out for full retro., well worth it to me...

 

[swamt]

https://www.fox23.com/news/contract-talks-between-american-airlines-mechanics-halt/746176383

I wish Danker was the Association spokesperson.

I don’t think signs in Tulsa will convince the flying public of the USA, to fly only USA overhauled airliners.

Maybe it’s time for the association to have a vote, you know, one union one voice. Doesn’t appear the two different unions can be satisfied by AA. Especially since one union has no reason or want of a new contract.

This Fox reporter doesn't have a clue. He brings up the Southwest agreement and even has the balls to say the Southwest mechanics don't even like it after the 6 years of nego's. How can he report that in good faith when the vote isn't even done yet???
Below is the para quote from his article about the SWA agreement:

"Southwest Airlines recently announced it reached an agreement with its mechanics union, and those talks took six years. Their union is still not happy with that agreement."

The above statement is the furthest from the truth. Watch it pass flying colors...

 

[swamt]

No one in the TWU was suffering over there at SWA either you do know.

So do you think maybe it could be the Airlines themselves that tell the REAL story?

NAH. Can’t say that. Doesn’t fit the agenda

Hey dummy, he didn't say anyone at SWA was suffering, and YOU know this. He was referring to the TWU fellas here at AA country that have suffered under this BK contract for the last 15 years plus now. And yes the IAM'ers too. You can keep denying it all you want. Keep those blinders on Weez!!!

 

[WeAAsles]

I would call working under our current contract suffering. I suppose it should come as no surprise that you think losing sick time accrual, losing sick pay, losing 2 weeks of vacation, losing 5 holidays, no holiday pay, losing longevity pay, no shift differential, no more penalty hours; hell, I could keep going. That may not be suffering where you come from. How would you describe our last 15 years under this TWU engineered contract? Embarrassing? Unfortunate? Disgraceful would be appropriate.

Cry me a river. Besides SWA the last 30 years welcome to the Airline industry.

But you guys never stop trying to sell that all the woes of the World only fell on your shoulders.

Hint: The masses aren’t buying what you’re selling.

Eastern, Pan Am, TWA, Etc. You’re not gaining any sympathy from me.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Again Crema if we go by just Wages there are no sweeteners sitting out there since it’s the Company position that at least on DOS we will be the highest paid in the Industry.

Offering the IAM the additional $3000 and extra year is only meant to piss us off on the TWU side and get us to thrown rocks at IAM people.

I don’t fall for the Company’s blatant and obvious attempts to divide us.

my take is that the company is out-of-control stingy and nothing has changed that.

the fact that passenger service has gotten and will get 2.5% in their last 2 years - while offering us 2% every year AND passenger service gets more shift differential than proposed to us..all this before the company added a few more billions to their piggy bank after 2016. insulting.

there is a sweetener out there for us/all of us assoc. ramp...x% more than ua, and a $4k check to make up for the holidays lost since 2014's stand alone for lus.