Amr first quarter reusults

[Frank Szabo]

Seriously, A 2500 plus response to a 2 sentence sarcastic remark about the fuzzy math you use in an attempt to make Dal and Ual look like something they are not. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what your 10 paragraph response is filled with. I am sure they are equally impressed with your dissertations at the NASA web board, on how Dal is going to reinvent space travel and colonize other planets through ATL and JFK.

Yep - that's always been a big problem with DL. One could buy a ticket straight to hell if desired but even that required routing through ATL.

 

[Imjustsayin]

AA had accountable and tough management before, and when they reduced costs it was through layoffs and furloughs not concessions. Those were the Crandall days. You don't understand....if Carty would have done the same thing and cut costs thru layoffs instead of brutal concessions most employees wouldn't be angry with management. . When you compare AA and UA, CO, DL & WN.....some of these airlines went bankrupt and the courts raped all employees, including management. They shared in the raping, and the union employees recognized it. Not here!

OK, what have you been smoking...

"Management and union had a better relationship when Crandall was CEO, and it led to happier employees interacting with customers. It makes a world of difference in customer relations and experience"

 

[WorldTraveler]

No, actually I think I'll keep doing exactly what I have been doing....
because there are people who really do want to know the real reasons why AA is in the trouble it is in.
There are people who aren't interested in continuing to hear that labor alone is the problem or that even if management worked for free, it would make a bit of a difference in AA's outcome.
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This isn't about DL or UA... it is about AA.
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It is about AA's lack of ability to manage some of the best resources in the industry.
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It is about AA building a network around the top business markets but then somehow thinking that the white picket fence they constructed out front would keep out the competition.
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It is about AA's flawed theory that if you served the top markets in Europe and Asia, then your partners could do the rest. Problem is that your competitors didn't buy that theory and serve the top markets in Europe and Asia and a whole lot more as well.
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So, when you can tell the rest of us why AA has had the worst revenue performance of all carriers that have reported so far this quarter, continuing the streak they have had for the past several quarters, then perhaps we can have a conversation.
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The fact that AA's competitors have managed to capitalize on AA's strategic failures doesn't change the fact that AA has some very serious strategic questions to answer - and why more and more analysts are asking AMR mgmt why they don't have anything better planned to turn AA around.
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Until then, I'll continue to keep on with what I do as I remind the members of this board that there are very real and very obvious reasons for AA's financial performance and they go far beyond the trite labor mgmt spats that some of you can never rise above - but which a whole lot of people will become increasingly interested in AA's financial fortunes continue to decline, and with it take down a lot of people.
Some of you, perhaps Mikey, just might be asking yourself if WT was right after all while you stand in the unemployment line waiting for your first check.

 

[SRQRoadWarrior]

WT,

Maybe some of the AMR "fans" don't like your posts, and maybe you are a little Delta biased, but for a lot of people you do give a lot of history that helps. I think I read in previous posts that you are in the industry, which if this is the case, you have a lot more information than the average person has.

Do I find your posts informative...yes. Do you show bias, probably...but keep the info coming. That is what free speech is all about.....

 

[WorldTraveler]

WT,

Maybe some of the AMR "fans" don't like your posts, and maybe you are a little Delta biased, but for a lot of people you do give a lot of history that helps. I think I read in previous posts that you are in the industry, which if this is the case, you have a lot more information than the average person has.

Do I find your posts informative...yes. Do you show bias, probably...but keep the info coming. That is what free speech is all about.....

Thanks but is it really bias if I tell you exactly what has happened in the market?
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Maybe some people would rather not know the truth but it doesn't change the fact that DL has made NYC a key strategic focus over the past 5 years and by every measure I can see has managed to handedly ovetake AA which happened to be the largest and most business focused airline in New York City for years - AA's headquarters were in NYC until about 30 years ago.
If you or anyone else can provide evidence to show that AA is doing fine in NYC, I'm certainly open to see it... and whatever implciations it has for the rest of the US.
But they are going to have to be able to connect it with AMR's public filings such as its earnings reports which continue to signifcantly underperform the industry.
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People here can't get over the fact that in the airline industry, when someone loses, someone else is going to win. The fact that it is DL doesn't change the fact that AA has given up its position as NYC's largest business airline.
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Nor is the change in market position in other key markets like BOS something that happened in isolation. It's all part of the same trend... AA's cost structure is too high to defend its markets and other more nimble competitors have come after AA, which still carries a whole lot of premium revemue.
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Actually, I am not in the industry now but have been in the past and gained enough knowledge to be able to follow and analyze the industry in ways that others cannot.
I actually work in non-profit leadership development now.
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My brother is an AA employee, represented by the TWU.
That alone is why I would just as soon not see AA fail.

 

[tech2101]

Seriously, A 2500 plus response to a 2 sentence sarcastic remark about the fuzzy math you use in an attempt to make Dal and Ual look like something they are not. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what your 10 paragraph response is filled with. I am sure they are equally impressed with your dissertations at the NASA web board, on how Dal is going to reinvent space travel and colonize other planets through ATL and JFK.

One of the best posts on this board in a long time.

Classic. I needed that.

Happy Easter!
😀

Removed my 2037 word post and inserted the above...

 

[SRQRoadWarrior]

WT,

I used the word "biased" really in the wrong way. I think you said it properly. If there is anybody out there that can write why AA is doing things better than DL or UA, and maybe long term AA might, they have not stepped up to the plate.

You defend why DL is doing what they are doing, and yes I agree Boston, and maybe MIA and LAX are the next places they will make a full court press in time, but nobody that I know of says that what AA is doing is better than what DL or UA is doing. Yes, AA did not go through BK, but I have not seen anybody give facts and figures on what AA is doing is helping them, like what DL is doing is helping DL. All people do is not want to hear you because they can not defend it. They do not supply any facts to dispute what you have to say. I really wish they would supply facts. If you are wrong and they are right, I am sure you will admit it. It would help everybody.

I am not in the industry, but I have a cousin who is a retired lead mechanic in Denver with UA, a cousin who is a pilot for US, and a cousin who is a pilot for AA and flies a lot of international. Not sure what their opinion is of everything going on. Next time I see them I will ask.

 

[strikeforce]

OK, what have you been smoking...

"Management and union had a better relationship when Crandall was CEO, and it led to happier employees interacting with customers. It makes a world of difference in customer relations and experience"

I've been sniffing the TWU exhaust gas they've been blowing for the last 20 years. Call it what you want....happier...tolerable....etc. Not as miserable as today, and for the last 8 years. Mechanics didn't stab each other like they do today. In the last 8 years I've seen more in-fighting between members and more HR cases between members than the previous 12. I go to work now and worry if I'm offending someone and that didn't happen before the raping.

 

[eolesen]

Well, now that the history lesson is over... Do try to remember that AA only has 135 flights at all three Port Authority controlled airports combined. How many do DL or CO offer? Something on the order of twice as many flights?? If so, I'd hope they would be carrying a larger percentage of local share...

NYC falls into the corner-post strategy, but I have never considered JFK a hub to the same degree I would LAX, which is comparable in size. LAX simply more markets served, both on a point to point basis and on a flow basis. Aside from a couple of southern Europe destinations, there's no point in connecting at JFK to Europe from ORD, DFW, or MIA.

So yes, AA's going to have a lower market share than the guys flying to 40+ destinations.

 

[fltguymk]

No, actually I think I'll keep doing exactly what I have been doing....
because there are people who really do want to know the real reasons why AA is in the trouble it is in.
There are people who aren't interested in continuing to hear that labor alone is the problem or that even if management worked for free, it would make a bit of a difference in AA's outcome.
.
This isn't about DL or UA... it is about AA.
.
It is about AA's lack of ability to manage some of the best resources in the industry.
.
It is about AA building a network around the top business markets but then somehow thinking that the white picket fence they constructed out front would keep out the competition.
.
It is about AA's flawed theory that if you served the top markets in Europe and Asia, then your partners could do the rest. Problem is that your competitors didn't buy that theory and serve the top markets in Europe and Asia and a whole lot more as well.
.
So, when you can tell the rest of us why AA has had the worst revenue performance of all carriers that have reported so far this quarter, continuing the streak they have had for the past several quarters, then perhaps we can have a conversation.
.
The fact that AA's competitors have managed to capitalize on AA's strategic failures doesn't change the fact that AA has some very serious strategic questions to answer - and why more and more analysts are asking AMR mgmt why they don't have anything better planned to turn AA around.
.
Until then, I'll continue to keep on with what I do as I remind the members of this board that there are very real and very obvious reasons for AA's financial performance and they go far beyond the trite labor mgmt spats that some of you can never rise above - but which a whole lot of people will become increasingly interested in AA's financial fortunes continue to decline, and with it take down a lot of people.
Some of you, perhaps Mikey, just might be asking yourself if WT was right after all while you stand in the unemployment line waiting for your first check.
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I think we all agree with your post above. Wish you could convince the AA's BOD of that and oust Aprey and get us some real leadership!

 

[Imjustsayin]

I've been sniffing the TWU exhaust gas they've been blowing for the last 20 years. Call it what you want....happier...tolerable....etc. Not as miserable as today, and for the last 8 years. Mechanics didn't stab each other like they do today. In the last 8 years I've seen more in-fighting between members and more HR cases between members than the previous 12. I go to work now and worry if I'm offending someone and that didn't happen before the raping.

Gee why would you go to work and have to worry about offending anyone? You're posts are so balanced.

 

[737823]

Well, now that the history lesson is over... Do try to remember that AA only has 135 flights at all three Port Authority controlled airports combined. How many do DL or CO offer? Something on the order of twice as many flights?? If so, I'd hope they would be carrying a larger percentage of local share...

NYC falls into the corner-post strategy, but I have never considered JFK a hub to the same degree I would LAX, which is comparable in size. LAX simply more markets served, both on a point to point basis and on a flow basis. Aside from a couple of southern Europe destinations, there's no point in connecting at JFK to Europe from ORD, DFW, or MIA.

So yes, AA's going to have a lower market share than the guys flying to 40+ destinations.

I agree AA is out for quality not quantity in the NY area. DL operates many point to point routes to Florida from JFK/LGA while AA focuses on FLL, MCO, MIA, and TPA for connecting purposes. I'd like to see AA enter some secondary European markets like EDI, NCE, VLC, etc. JFK-TLV is long overdue and would really bolster AA's position in NYC. AA is in the odd man out in this aspect since CO and DL both offer flights and they have been very successful. Does anyone have information on AA's revenue position in NYC area airports and how it stacks up against CO and DL?

Also keep in mind CO and DL operate significantly more 737s, EMBs, and CRJs while AA operates larger 757 and 767 aircraft on many routes.

Josh

 

[strikeforce]

Gee why would you go to work and have to worry about offending anyone? You're posts are so balanced.

So, you think my posts should be balanced over biased? Wrong! My posts are my beliefs and opinions to issues. Like I said before....don't reply if you don't like my biased opinions or statements. People like you and AV1, and perhaps many others fail to acknowledge the truth! Happy Easter to ALL!

 

[Imjustsayin]

So, you think my posts should be balanced over biased? Wrong! My posts are my beliefs and opinions to issues. Like I said before....don't reply if you don't like my biased opinions or statements. People like you and AV1, and perhaps many others fail to acknowledge the truth! Happy Easter to ALL!

Oh, hey, I'm all about people expressing their beliefs and opinions. I just had to laugh when you posted this ....sorry....

"I go to work now and worry if I'm offending someone and that didn't happen before the raping."

 

[Bob Owens]

Oh, hey, I'm all about people expressing their beliefs and opinions. I just had to laugh when you posted this ....sorry....

"I go to work now and worry if I'm offending someone and that didn't happen before the raping."

Freddy expressed his belief that sexual preference should not be a barrier to Military Service but because he used a word that offended the company he was terminated.

In their supposed efforts to not allow one worker to make the workplace a Hostile enviornament for other workers the company has made it a hostile enviornment for everyone.