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Freddy expressed his belief that sexual preference should not be a barrier to Military Service but because he used a word that offended the company he was terminated.

In their supposed efforts to not allow one worker to make the workplace a Hostile enviornament for other workers the company has made it a hostile enviornment for everyone.


First of all, it is not sexual preference but sexual orientation. When you say preference it connotes a choice which makes people feel better about discriminating against gay people. Secondly, it not only offended the company but would have offended me as an employee and frankly I don't need to hear that kind of language at work.
 
Freddy expressed his belief that sexual preference should not be a barrier to Military Service but because he used a word that offended the company he was terminated.

In their supposed efforts to not allow one worker to make the workplace a Hostile enviornament for other workers the company has made it a hostile enviornment for everyone.

Owens, you ought to stick to your pro-union/management bashing/victimization/rearview mirror dribble, I don't think you are cut out for reality.
 
Owens, you ought to stick to your pro-union/management bashing/victimization/rearview mirror dribble, I don't think you are cut out for reality.

Unlike your pro-company/union bashing/elitist/tunnel visioned/management holier than thou attitude/ you are the one not living in reality..but rather a cocoon where management is never wrong and they always know best!
 
First of all, it is not sexual preference but sexual orientation. When you say preference it connotes a choice which makes people feel better about discriminating against gay people. Secondly, it not only offended the company but would have offended me as an employee and frankly I don't need to hear that kind of language at work.

So just to be clear only people who where born gay should be protected but those who are bi and maybe prefer one or the other should not. while some people may be born gay to place that blank over all people is B.S. and you all know it, Whatever happened to intent I for one am sick and tired of being stuck in the middle of this B.S. at work I do not use racial or sexual based slurs but am tired of both sides wearing the feelings on their sleave. As hard as it maybe for you to understand I am tolerent of the bigots view to.
 
Sounds like Ted Nugent and his lack of tolerance would fit right in with the AA TWU membership in NYC:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/19/nbas-gay-gag-order/
 
Sounds like Ted Nugent and his lack of tolerance would fit right in with the AA TWU membership in NYC:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/19/nbas-gay-gag-order/

I can honestly say I do not often find myself in agreement with Ted and alot of what he says is over the top, that said he does have a right to his opinion whether you or I agree with it. this idea that we as adults need the thought police to set the standards of what two grown men can say to each other is B.S. Plain and simple.

Finally if two adults are having a conversation,disscussion or fight and it is not about or aimed at you butt the hell out!
 
Sounds like Ted Nugent and his lack of tolerance would fit right in with the AA TWU membership in NYC:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/19/nbas-gay-gag-order/

What's amazing FWAAA is AA's tolerance for allowing a hard core religiously repressive airline into their JFK terminal. An airline from a countrty that chooses most aspects of Shariah law..
FWAAA, do you know what happens to GAY people in that airline's country? How about how they treat their women?
AA had no tolerance of an 84 year old fleet service clerk cause he used the F-- word, but hey they can't tell that airline how to police themselves. AA has no tolerance for sexual harrasment...but hey it's just business.

WAAY to go AA! The airline who has a zero tolerance policy for Rule 32 violations,,,,,except when it comes to doing business with a most repressive government airline.
 
Sounds like Ted Nugent and his lack of tolerance would fit right in with the AA TWU membership in NYC:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/19/nbas-gay-gag-order/


I think you dont know what you are talking about. The membership in NYC as a whole are probably the most tolerant group out there, just because they may use words that some consider harsh, crude or offensive doesnt mean there's any malice. The main reason is that the culture in NYC is to mind your own business. There are so many people and so many different cultures,"orientations", faiths, races and lifstyles most people dont really have the time or desire to try and push for their neighbors to conform to what one person may feel is the right thing to be or do.

I agree with Hopeful, AA has no problem doing business with Quatar yet if the same sentiments are expressed by their employees the company would terminate them.
 
IN the course of a day and a half, this topic detoured to a discussion of sexual orientation which I will pass over in the interest of returning to the topic at hand… the beauty of internet discussions is that they will go in many different directions, all of which are perfectly valid.
There were some very insightful questions raised regarding my last mega-post and which deserve discussion. I am grateful that there are people who are thinking about what I am writing... IN THE CONTEXT of trying to figure out why AA is struggling much worse than other carriers and what can be done about it.
Once again, this is not an attempt to praise DL or any other carrier but to point out that other carriers – DL most notably has taken advantage of AA’s weakness to accomplish what DL needed to do – and there are good reasons why DL focused on AA and why DL was able to succeed at its goals at AA’s expense.
But other carriers have benefited from AA’s problems as well… and we’ll discuss those in more depth. The only bias was focusing on DL’s benefits and in not discussing how other carriers have benefitted – because they have as well.
So here we go….
Do try to remember that AA only has 135 flights at all three Port Authority controlled airports combined. How many do DL or CO offer? Something on the order of twice as many flights?? If so, I'd hope they would be carrying a larger percentage of local share...
NYC falls into the corner-post strategy, but I have never considered JFK a hub to the same degree I would LAX, which is comparable in size. LAX simply more markets served, both on a point to point basis and on a flow basis. Aside from a couple of southern Europe destinations, there's no point in connecting at JFK to Europe from ORD, DFW, or MIA.
So yes, AA's going to have a lower market share than the guys flying to 40+ destinations.
I agree AA is out for quality not quantity in the NY area. DL operates many point to point routes to Florida from JFK/LGA while AA focuses on FLL, MCO, MIA, and TPA for connecting purposes. I'd like to see AA enter some secondary European markets like EDI, NCE, VLC, etc. JFK-TLV is long overdue and would really bolster AA's position in NYC. AA is in the odd man out in this aspect since CO and DL both offer flights and they have been very successful. Does anyone have information on AA's revenue position in NYC area airports and how it stacks up against CO and DL?

Also keep in mind CO and DL operate significantly more 737s, EMBs, and CRJs while AA operates larger 757 and 767 aircraft on many routes.

Josh
Josh and E and others,
Schedule information historical and current is quite accessible.
Yes there are several ways to measure market size… boarding statistics are published by every airport and are quite public. The Port Authority which operates all three major NYC airports has boarding statistics for each one and all three together on their website. There obviously is not destination level or revenue detail in boarding statistics but there is more than enough to correlate that other statistics makes sense, esp. if you cross-reference with other airports (ie from NCE or TXL where CO and/or DL operate their only service).
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The CRS/GDS operators collect data on tickets they issue and sell it to processors which allows there to be a snapshot of both revenue and O&D (origin and destination) data that is obviously very rich data. However, it is not public. Most reputable airline industry analysts have access to this and the following type of data although most don’t have the network experience to be able to meaningfully use it – or don’t bother getting into “the weeds” of how airlines are run, leaving that to management.
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The third source of data is the US DOT which has collected lots of data on airlines for years and it is generally public. However, the data is massive and you not only need extensive data processing capabilities but also a lot of knowledge to understand what is there and how to use it. I reference some data sourced from the DOT but it really doesn’t say anything that you couldn’t otherwise confirm elsewhere – ie from overall SEC data that includes RASM performance by global region etc.
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Being able to look at all of the data gives you a richer picture and I can do that – but it would be a mistake to not believe the whole picture because you can’t see one piece.
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So…
LGA
In the summer of 2006, AA operated more flights (including AE) at LGA than DL although DL had more seats…. Remember DL was using widebodies up and down the east coast. However, the combined DL/NW schedule at LGA was larger than AA even though NW used very few regional jets.
In 2006, 50% of AA’s schedule at LGA was on RJs while it was 46% for DL. Today both carriers have a slight majority of RJs over ML aircraft.
AA’s average mainline aircraft size has gone up slightly at LGA from 145 seats/aircraft to 151 while DL’s has gone down slightly from 156 to 146.
Realistically, AA and DL both operate about half ML, half RJ at LGA and the average aircraft size is right at the average for an M80/320/738.
The difference in AA and DL at LGA is size. While AA has shrunk the number of flights it has operated and the associated seats at LGA over the past five years by 10-15% depending on the statistic you look at, DL has expanded its schedule by about 10% ABOVE the combined DL/NW flight/seat count even though DL/NW were not merged in 2006.
It is obvious that while DL grow at LGA because of the NW merger, they grew above and beyond the combined levels of DL+NW while at the same time AA shrunk at LGA.
Granted, DL was the only network carrier at LGA that did grow but why would you shrink a highly competitive business passenger rich market if you intended to be a premium business airline as AA has historically been.
UA and CO both shrunk at LGA individually and combined will still not challenge AA or DL in size … part of the reason for mergers among the network carriers is to make up for the “shrinkage” that has occurred among network carriers as they have reduced capacity to push fares up.
LGA has seen an increase in low fare carrier activity at LGA. IN four years, average revenue per passenger at the airport have grown by 7%. AA has done better than that at 12% but DL’s average revenue at the airport has grown by 18% as DL has replaced its Florida heavy focus with more business markets. AA still gets above average revenue/pax at LGA, largely due to DFW being one of the longest large markets from LGA with one of the highest average fares– and one which AA carries almost exclusively.
Still, while AA has concentrated its flying to its largest markets and hubs along with a few key regional jet carriers, DL has added not only more mainline flying because of the NW merger as well as a number of point to point markets in markets that were previously strong for other carriers.
LGA has long had a relatively low percentage of connecting passengers; AA and DL are more than 95% local (not connecting) passengers at LGA.
You still have to ask the question as to why AA chose to shrink at LGA but DL could manage to grow. You should ask the question not specific to DL but about any network carrier, the same class of carrier as AA – esp. one that has a strong business reputation in one of the key business markets in the world.
JFK
JFK provides a little different picture. The airport became fully slot controlled over the past few years so the ability to grow is now limited to the ability to use existing slots more efficiently, which generally means bigger aircraft something both AA and DL can do. B6 obviously cannot grow at JFK any more other than upgauging its few Ejet flights to 320s.
However, five years ago the airport was not fully slot controlled and DL managed to add over 60% more seats on a comparable number of flights. AA has grown flights by about 12% but seats by only about 1%.
AA’s average aircraft size went down from 215 seats/flt to 190 while DL’s went down from 196 to 187. For all practical purposes, AA and DL use the same average aircraft size.
AA’s JFK operation went from 70% mainline to 65% while DL’s JFK operation has remained virtually 50% mainline/50% RJ, a similar ratio to what AA and DL have at LGA.
For comparison, CO at EWR is about 50% ML/50% RJ with an average aircraft size of 169 seats, about average for AA and DL at LGA and JFK combined.
LGA and JFK have always operated in tandem for the carriers that have had a presence at both airports while EWR has been a one airport hub for NYC, even though LGA and JFK obtain the highest amount of revenue from the NYC local market.
Today, CO offers about 85K seats per day from EWR; DL offers about 35K from JFK and LGA; AA offers about 23K seats/day.
REVENUE
The revenue picture is what really gets interesting.
Five years ago, the combined NYC (LGA,EWR,JFK) local market was worth about $20 million per day in each direction (ie $40M combined). Today it is about $23M for a growth rate of about 20% over the 4-5 years…. Not bad in the current economic climate.
Then, CO was the largest NYC carrier with about a 28% revenue share of the market, AA was next at about 22%, followed by DL at 15%, and B6 at 10%. DL and NW’s share combined was 19%.
Today (as of last summer), CO had about a 26% revenue share, DL was at 25%, AA was at 17%, and B6 was about 11%.
If you look at the absolute revenue for each carrier, AA was the only carrier whose NYC revenue actually decreased – by about 10%. CO’s revenue grew by about 10% while B6 grew by 25% in local revenue even though their share (percent of the pie) increased only slightly.
What is notable is that DL’s revenue in the NYC merger DOUBLED if you look at DL standalone before the merger and DL today. The merger contributed about half of DL’s revenue growth but the other half was generated internally as DL gained larger shares in more lucrative business markets like LHR, NRT, and the west coast AND grew its presence in NYC as other network carriers shrank and low fare carriers grew.
DL and the low cost carriers picked up most of the revenue growth in the market and they also picked some of it out of AA’s pockets.
If you look at revenue change among regions, not surprisingly, the Caribbean which was dominated by AA went largely to the low fare carriers…. AA had more than 60% of that market and how has about one-fourth. To/from Europe, DL passed CO as the largest revenue carrier with DL just above one-third and CO just below one-third. AA dropped from about 22% to the upper teens.
If you look at the west coast, AA and B6 both lost about 6 revenue share percent while DL and VX both picked up equal amounts.
AA lost a few percent to Florida which was picked up by other low cost carriers.
You can decide which of these markets really matters but the west coast and Europe are the backbones of AA’s presence from NYC.
If you look at average fares for all tickets in/out of NYC, AA and DL are nearly at the same levels with CO being a bit higher – to be expected since they have more flights to Asia.
One final tidbit.
AA has long received about half of its revenue ORIGINATING in NYC and the other half ELSEWHERE (Destined for NYC). DL historically has been and remains the same. AA and DL both are equally strong elsewhere in the country as they are in NYC.
CO and B6 are disproportionately stronger for NYC originating traffic; neither is as effective as selling seats TO NYC as they are from selling them from NY. In B6’s case that is partly because they cater to a lot of leisure destinations which are NYC originating but CO has always been very weak outside of its hubs relative to other carriers.
UA, VX, WN and others are stronger OUTSIDE of NYC …ie they sell more tickets TO NYC than they do FROM NYC.
The risk for AA comes as CO combines with UA’s strength outside of NYC and as WN “bulks” up to the point where it becomes a bigger player in NYC which makes it easier to sell revenue in a highly competitive market.


SO WHAT does this all matter, you ask?
NYC has been and remains the largest air travel market in the US and probably still the world. It is the economic seat of the USA.
Much of AA’s historic success has come from its ability to have a premium revenue position in the NYC market.
Fifteen or more years ago, CO decided to make NYC a hub and with it became the largest revenue carrier from NYC, a position that has remain unchallenged.
Even though the majority of NYC originating revenue flows through LGA and JFK, CO’s ability as a single carrier to serve all of the top markets that were served from LGA and JFK – even if they were served by multiple airlines – shifted revenue to CO.
In the past five years, DL decided it wanted to become the single revenue carrier on the NY side of NYC… all the evidence suggests that DL is well on its way to achieving that goal.
DL has entered markets once dominated by AA and is getting its share of the revenue in those markets. AA and DL’s average fares are very similar from NYC today.
DL, like CO, has a lot of unique destinations from NYC as well as destinations that it serves competing with CO/UA but not with AA.
There are honestly few market advantages that AA has in NYC that DL has not duplicated at LGA and JFK.
The notion that AA goes after quality from a niche operation is simply not valid. CO and DL get as good as if not better revenue than AA… they are just a lot bigger and that allows them to control revenue ORIGINATING in NYC better.
When you consider that DL and now UA does as good of a job if not better at controlling revenue OUTSIDE OF NYC and they are both bigger than AA outside of NYC, the notion that AA can hold onto revenue originating outside of NYC looks very iffy.
When you look at the revenue shift, you truly have to ask about AA’s future in NYC and you also have to ask how in a highly competitive market AA mgmt has allowed its revenue and capacity to shrink while others – even B6 and CO which haven’t added much capacity – have managed to grow their revenue share.
There will be people here who will read this as a pro-DL post…. It isn’t.
It is the details behind why AA has lost revenue and DL has gained it.
Part of it is due to the NW merger.
But a lot of it is due to DL’s decision that it had to be A if not THE dominant carrier in the largest revenue market in the country.
You as AA supporters can evaluate what it means to you and your jobs personally but the implications extend far beyond NYC.
DL did the same thing in BOS as they did in NYC; the only difference is that DL left the transcon markets to the low fare carriers.
In LAX, UA becomes the largest revenue carrier after the merger and now will have nonstops from two NYC airports. The ability of AA to hold onto revenue at LAX will become increasingly difficult. That’s probably why UA didn’t think too long about sitting on top of AA’s new LAX-PVG flight.
VX has entered ORD/DFW-LAX and SFO. You can see how well they have done in the NYC transcons. UA is pulling out all the stops to protect ORD-west coast. VX and their new presence is going to inflict pain on AA.
AA’s biggest strategic asset right now is DFW and MIA-Latin America, markets where AA faces little competition. But just as other AA dominant markets have fallen to competitors, it seems inevitable that it will happen in those as well.


I think we all agree with your post above. Wish you could convince the AA's BOD of that and oust Aprey and get us some real leadership!

It is up to you at AA to decide to do something about what is happening. I am here simply to point out in detail what is happening behind the scenes to AA’s revenue – what most of you cannot see.
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What seems obvious is that AA’s idea of having five key pillar markets will not work if three of them, NYC, CHI, and LAX are highly competitive and AA is no longer the largest revenue carrier in any of them.
The notion that AA can be a niche carrier in five key markets against other carriers that are larger and/or lower cost (and in UA and DL’s case, both) is simply not supported by history in the airline industry – or by any data that would say that AA’s strategy is working.
You cannot be the airline of choice in the highly competitive coastal markets if you are #3 or 4 in the medium and small markets throughout the US in which NYC and LAX are the top destinations for travelers from there. IN other words, being dominant in LIT, MSN, RDU, and SAT makes it a whole lot easier to be the largest carrier in major markets like NYC and LAX.

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AA is about a $20 billion a year company in annual revenue…. DL and UA are $33-35B companies for comparison.
AA missed industry average RASM by about 5% in the most recent quarter (which was about half of the RASM growth of the rest of the industry).
Just five percent of AA’s revenue is $1 billion.
If just five percent of AA’s revenue is at risk of being shifted to other carriers, every other carrier in the US could be profitable while AA would lose money.
Is it a surprise to you that AA is estimated to lose $1B this year?
Is it a surprise that AA was the only major carrier that didn’t make money last year?


Here’s another 2500+ words, Mikey, but I think it sheds further light on AA’s financial situation esp. relative to its key competitors.

It’s up to you and your peers to decide whether you want to do something about it or whether you want to berate the messenger, as if that changes the reality.
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I would hope that you and others would direct your energy to regaining control of your situation, rebuilding AA, and restoring all that AA once represented.
 
Here’s another 2500+ words, Mikey, but I think it sheds further light on AA’s financial situation esp. relative to its key competitors.

Yes unfortunately after the first two sentences it becomes nothing more than Charlie Browns teacher, "Whaa-wha-whaa-wha-whaa". Just a sad sad trombone playing over and over again. We all have lives and families. We tend to keep things short, topical and to the point. You know sharing views, and not spending ridiculous amounts of time and band with extolling the wonders of Delta and the Horrors of AA.

See short to the point.
 
All those words, and you still avoided the question, WT. How many do DL and CO/UA operate today?


AA has about 135 flights a day and MQ has about 103. Total of 238 marketed.

DL is 164 mainline. No idea how many are operated by the various regionals, but if you say it is 50/50, that implies about 160 regional operations. Total of 320 marketed. Flight stats says 278 departures, but some regionals fly for more than one marketing carrier, and not all carriers are listed.

That implies AA is operating between 75% and 83% the number of departures as DL.

Going back to your original observation:

In just four years, AA’s revenue share in NYC has fallen from 22% to 17%. Meanwhile, DL’s revenue share of the 3 main NYC airports has grown from under 16% to more than 25% while UA post-merger now takes in nearly 1 in 3 dollars in air revenue that flows through NYC.

DL and AA operate 15.6% and 13.1% respectively of the flights in NYC. CO/UA operate over 25%, Jetblue is 10%.

So using your revenue share stats and weighting to total departures, AA is pulling down 17% of the revenue share with 13.1% of the departures, which isn't too shabby, and about the same ratio of revenue:departures as what CO/UA pull in today, which is 33% with 25% of the market. DL has 25% with 15.6%.

I'm sure you realize that market share and revenue share don't increase on a straight-line; they increase on a curve, and that's apparent when you factor in all carriers at NYC, and not just the top 4.

Consistent with the curve, DL is clearly earning more revenue share better, but again, they serve more markets, and that's expected in a hub. And surprisingly, CO/UA doesn't look as good as I would have expected. AA? Not too far off from where I'd expect them with fewer markets.
 

It’s up to you and your peers to decide whether you want to do something about it or whether you want to berate the messenger, as if that changes the reality.
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I would hope that you and others would direct your energy to regaining control of your situation, rebuilding AA, and restoring all that AA once represented.

Tell me, WT..What is your advice for AA management? Should they too decide if THEY want to do something about employee morale at AA?
Because if you think that a bankruptcy filing by AA will right this ship, your are wrong! What rebuilds AA is gaining employee trust and respect. That, in turn, will improve morale, and the end result will be a better AA.
But simply telling employees we need to take in the rear again will only anger employees more.
 
Tell me, WT..What is your advice for AA management? Should they too decide if THEY want to do something about employee morale at AA?
Because if you think that a bankruptcy filing by AA will right this ship, your are wrong! What rebuilds AA is gaining employee trust and respect. That, in turn, will improve morale, and the end result will be a better AA.
But simply telling employees we need to take in the rear again will only anger employees more.
🙄 Oh you're so old fashioned with this trust/respect/morale nonsense. Today in business, when all else is equal, it is all about costs - the lowest cost wins. (and that is why DL rules the world). :lol:
 
🙄 Oh you're so old fashioned with this trust/respect/morale nonsense. Today in business, when all else is equal, it is all about costs - the lowest cost wins. (and that is why DL rules the world). :lol:
Well it could just as easily be said "if all else is equal then he who has the highest revenue wins". But we all know that "all else being equal" never exists in the real world.
 
🙄 Oh you're so old fashioned with this trust/respect/morale nonsense. Today in business, when all else is equal, it is all about costs - the lowest cost wins. (and that is why DL rules the world). :lol:

So if the AA workforce decides to shove it so far up AA's tail pipe and force them into bankruptcy, that even after bankruptcy, AA workers continue to shove tin up AA's tail pipe...would that be a modern and efficient attitude for you?
What a great work ethic in this country, eh FF?

Don't disgraced executives in Japan commit suicide from time to time?

Here, they just move on to bigger and better things.
 

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