"And the Envelope Please "

[BABABOOY]

While some may find a home visit unwelcome, that is not carrier interference.

I don't know why I'm surprised by the fact that your ideology is blinding you.
You continue to support the AFA. an organization that you yourself would never
be a part of . The same organization that pulled its application because it wanted
to have new members appointed to the NMB. Then they delayed because they
wanted a rule change to make it easier to get in. After all the hoops everyone went
through, they still failed. A MAJORITY said NO. Why can't you and some others respect
that decision? All for a FEAR that YOU have that we will work without the all mighty contract.
Again, WE (f/a's) have been doing this for over 80+ years. RESPECT the DECISION held
by the MAJORITY.

 

[Kev3188]

I support the right of workers everywhere to collectively organize, DL or not, IFS or not.

 

[Kev3188]

Then it must be intimidation .Can't be Union interference

if you say so. If someone I don't wish to speak to shows up at my door, "I say thanks, but no thanks," and that's that. Not sure why other people feel like they can't do the same... I suspect 99% of the people that are anti labor are doing exactly that, but of course that makes for a much less sensational story...

 

[metopower]

if you say so. If someone I don't wish to speak to shows up at my door, "I say thanks, but no thanks," and that's that. Not sure why other people feel like they can't do the same... I suspect 99% of the people that are anti labor are doing exactly that, but of course that makes for a much less sensational story...

With that answer you must mean that it is also ok for Company representatives to come to your door ? or is that somehow different ?

 

[Kev3188]

If they showed up at my door, I would do exactly what I've already described. The end.

 

[eolesen]

The standard for interference and intimidation is vague, but the following four rulings might give you an idea of the threshold that would need to be exceeded in order for there to be a finding worthy of a re-vote

First, the last ruling between Delta and the AFA, which found no interference:

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2008/35n070.pdf

A similar ruling on American (and quoted several times in the Delta ruling):

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter1999/26n79.html

The most recent ruling where interference was found - Delta's sim techs:

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2010/37n053.pdf

And another for Cape Air where the company appeared to cross the line when an in-house union was challenging an incumbent:

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2010/37n009.pdf

 

[birdinhann]

Someone who I know who an ardent Unionist has said to me on many occassions, "If the company is well managed and realizes the value their employees provide then you don't need a union. Maybe that's the case here???

Or no one wants to deal with the Pat Friend/AFA Drama?

If that is true, how do you explain Southwest being overwhelmingly unionized? Their management certainly values their employees.

 

[dapoes]

Southwest is TWU not AFA

If AFA would have conducting themselves professionally and win the hearts and minds of the majority......then maybe the vote would have turned out different. But instead they spit on the DAL FA's and anyone who wouldn't drink their kool-aid.

Its their own fault they failed. They suck at PR big time, and choose to insult and deride. And they wonder why people voted no. Hello???

 

[eolesen]

If that is true, how do you explain Southwest being overwhelmingly unionized? Their management certainly values their employees.

I'm a huge fan of the business model WN created, and especially the collaborative relationship they have with their unions. But they're an atypical example in more ways than not. You can't necessarily point at them and draw similar conclusions with other airlines...

WN's employees were unionized well before they were a household name, and they've avoided a lot of the issues that other airlines experience because they've been in continuous growth for 30+ years. But they pretty much ran out of easy markets to enter a few years ago, and finally had to go into the more difficult ones (e.g. BOS, LGA, EWR, PHL, MSP and now ATL), and it's yet to see how that all works out. They didn't exactly kill US the way people expected when they moved into PHL, and its unlikely they're going to pose a serious threat at ATL if/when the Airtran deal is closed.

IF WN ever gets to a point where they are contracting or are posting losses, then let's revisit the whole issue. Labor relations with the other legacy majors didn't really get to the point of being poisonous until you saw huge losses, layoffs, contraction, etc...

 

[southwind]

If that is true, how do you explain Southwest being overwhelmingly unionized? Their management certainly values their employees.

Go work for Southwest ! Problem solved !

 

[eolesen]

And now it appears that Stores turned down the IAM as well. 73% of those voting said "no, thanks"

 

[700UW]

Wonder what those "NO" voters will say when DL starts outsourcing work and lay them off, you know its going to happen. DL only had ramp at 14 stations before the merger, the writing is on the wall.

 

[southwind]

Wonder what those "NO" voters will say when DL starts outsourcing work and lay them off, you know its going to happen. DL only had ramp at 14 stations before the merger, the writing is on the wall.

Probably say the same thing an employee represented by a union would say ! :blink:

Or are you going to try and tell me "NO" union job "EVER", has been outsourced ?

 

[700UW]

It is apparent you dont understand, with a CBA, they cant just close a station that they still fly into, Kev, can tell us how many stations were protected under the NWA CBA.

 

[southwind]

It is apparent you dont understand, with a CBA, they cant just close a station that they still fly into, Kev, can tell us how many stations were protected under the NWA CBA.

And Kev, can you tell us how many stations were not protected ?